Q08S (also works on ASUS W790 and Gigabyte but probably not on ASRock C741 like Q03J)
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ES Xeon Discussion
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In chart from YuuKi_AnS (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXIgH-iVUAE2S2p?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) it seems like E2/E3 might have been built due to UPI link bugs (there are of course probably more issues fixed in each stepping)?
regardless I'm not expecting the accelerators to work perfectly, just want to see which QDFs to watch out for to try out (even if somewhat or completely broken) accelerators that also work on C741 motherboards without D0 microcode (like supermicro/asrock/tyan/etc.)
I found Q0KM mentioned, which might be 8480+ equivalent, which has one of each accelerator, but I haven't been able to find much information.
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prepared and translated to english.
ask the seller for HWinfo Report file (bus screenshot)
if they refuse you have to buy and check, that's what i doing usualy.
someone must start....
I installed QYFQ and Q071 on a dual socket board and compared them. The memory configuration is 1DPC 8 channels.
The program used Cinebench 2024 / R23 and 7-zip.
Although Q071 has a lower score, I like it better than QYFQ in terms of immediate response from higher clock speeds and less idle power. (QYFQ starts at 150W. Q071 starts at 100W.)
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Although CineBench is commonly used, and i also use it to see if the system is running ok for a new build. It seems not the type of benchmark where dual cpu configs shine compared to single cpu results. See also the results of Arabus above. Also On a single Q03J on Asus w790 Sage i got scores are not that far off your dual cpu results. CB 2024 Multi core 3396, single core 81. I also think it has to do with Power Limit settings. CB is typically run a few times within the time power can be higher than TDP. But it seems that dual cpu systems do not really allow for much more power on 2 cpu's. Maybe it depends on the board, but i never saw more than 350W per cpu on dual config, while i see 370W for single. (Maybe it depends on the board).
But one important advantage for dual cpu config with full memory population (2x8 channels) is that memory bandwidth just doubles. For Neural Networks, and RL training on CPU i really get approximately 1.9-2 times better performance with dual cpu than with single cpu. On Also llama.cpp and ollama on cpu i get 2 times more tokens/s as with single cpu. As always the scalling and performance really depends on the application, dual cpu is not always worth it, but it can be. At least for multi-threaded memory bandwidth it seems steppings later than E0 did not get much faster, then the ES versions.
But one important advantage for dual cpu config with full memory population (2x8 channels) is that memory bandwidth just doubles. For Neural Networks, and RL training on CPU i really get approximately 1.9-2 times better performance with dual cpu than with single cpu. On Also llama.cpp and ollama on cpu i get 2 times more tokens/s as with single cpu. As always the scalling and performance really depends on the application, dual cpu is not always worth it, but it can be. At least for multi-threaded memory bandwidth it seems steppings later than E0 did not get much faster, then the ES versions.
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there still have not been any SPR-SP or EMR-SP ES found with unlocked multiplier yet, correct?
there are some known SPR-WS ES2 but not found for sale.
there is no unlocked EMR-WS Prod. Retail so i doubt an ES can exists.
are all of these just equivalents to the retail counterparts? or do any have different core counts?
ES2 = "0000" there is no equivalent.
search for QS:
Q1**,Q2** with full brand string(CPU-Z shows e.g. "Xeon W5-3475X (ES)" instead of "0000 (ES)"
So basically... for guaranteed use on an MS73 HB1/2/0 with B0 stepping (Buy it on Newegg, cheapest available at $1100 since scalping with people buying these like candy.)
QYFS = 8480+ D0
QYFX = 8490H D0
QYFW = Unknown, I can't find this sample anywhere.
QYFQ = 8468 D0
QYFP = 8468 D0
This is for Platinums. You can get these Platinums cheaper than Silver/Golds that don't usually have a large amount of ES/QS rolling around anyhow. Grab a pair of 8468s for $150-200 (each) and eat.
ASUS W790 SAGE/ACE ($700) also supports D0 stepping natively (This can be changed with modding bios FITs for QS/Prod too), so the same CPUs above. Not worth getting any other single socket board other than a ASUS W790 board for feature set at this point.
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If you wana stick on 2011-3, grab some 2696 V4s and HUANANZHI boards, (recommend F8D only unless you can find a unicorn) otherwise go to 1st gen Scalable Platinums 8000 (LGA 3647), can grab x2 P-8136s for cheap and run them on an ASUS C621 WS SAGE with modded FIT tables. Much better energy savings.
Skip 2nd gen 8100 (LGA 3647) unless you can find 8180s for the price of 8136s.
Skip 3rd gen 8300 (LGA 4189) all together. Really, skip it.
EDIT: Not sure why I kept saying B0. Is D0, ty RolloZ170 for pointing that out.
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Thanks, that was an awesome reply, very helpful! So B0 stepping is QS for 84xx? I did just pick up some 2696v4 recently, and they should work fine on my existing board, but those are going to be a marginal improvement, and I am looking to ~double or more.
There are rumors out there, as time passes by - (10-nanometer Intel 7) LGA4677 both 4th (SPR, Golden cove same as Adler Lake for 12th gen P-Core desktops) and 5th (EMR, Raptor cove same as 13th/14th gen P-Core desktops) gens are starting to show signs of rapid degradation (initially might not exhibit signs but later on worsening up to instability and later failure, it's related to interlayer oxidation/electromigration/conductor depletion, also o-ring overload), it wasn't identified in 2022, reports started getting out in 2023 but intel kept it quiet, now more and more statistics and reviews are out there. Voltage correction might not be enough since it also needs microcode patch.
Therefore I would be very careful getting those ES/QS on a secondary market with default short e-commerce platform warranties (e.g. 30 days with ebay) unless it's dirt-cheap (like well below $10 per core), it might be worth getting proper prod units (not fake with new imprint or de-lid) since those probably still can be exchanged via Intel RMA as long as it's around $20 per core (to match adequate performance per $ invested) adjusted to core frequency of course (some low-end do have much lower base Ghz).
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B0 and C0 not supported.
gigabyte supports D0 and up.
SPR-SP D0 ES and SPR-WS
some early E0 are working: Q03J,Q08S
SPR-SP final stepping is E5(XCC)/S3(MCC)/B3(XCC HBM Xeon Max.)
there are stepping E3 EV-QS and stepping E5 QS.
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QYFW: 806F3 stepping D0, 1.5Ghz 52C 270W
cpuid/platform
806F0/97, PRE "SPR-SP A-Stepping" <- QVV5 ES1
806F1/10, PRE "SPR-HBM A-Stepping" (Xeon Max.)
806F1/87, PRE "SPR-SP B-Stepping"
806F2/87, PRE "SPR-SP C-Stepping"
806F3/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS D0-R0-Stepping" <- QY06,QY0C,QYFN,QYFP,QYFQ,QYFS,QYFT,QYFU,QYFW,QYFX,Q071,Q074,Q075,Q076,Q077,Q079
806F4/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS E0/S1" <- Q03J,Q08S,Q0KS,Q0KG,Q0KL
806F5/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS E2/B1"
806F6/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS E3/S2"
806F7/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS E4/S2"
806F8/87, PRD "SPR-SP/WS E5/S3"
806F8/10, PRD "SPR-HBM B-Stepping" (Xeon Max.)