ES Xeon Discussion
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at supermicro x12 LGA4189 the microcodes are all there, but ICL ES stepping B0/C0 only run with unofficial BIOS 1.0
(except the X12DPi-N6 supports up to BIOS 1.1b)
ASRock Rack stopped support with actual BIOS too.
i have checked Tyan S5642AGMNRE
all microcodes are there 606A4,606A5,606A6, but at least ME/SPS is different
BIOS V100 SPS: 04.04.04.058 ES
BIOS V101 SPS: 04.04.04.202 no ES
BIOS V102 SPS: 04.04.04.301 no ES
, you have to stay with oldest BIOS.
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stepping D0 ES like QWAS,QWAQ,QWAT,QWAP are still working
Based off of information from a server supplier, Q0KG is a 52C/104T, 350W, E0 stepping CPU.
I can have for good price Intel Xeon Platinum 44cores LGA4677 QXP4. Seller wrote me that this processor is 100% working with motherboard Gigabyte MS33-AR0 with BIOS F01 and sended me this BIOS in zip file (server_mb_bios_MS33-AR0_F01.zip). Can be true that this CPU will on 100% works with this MB with this BIOS? And what if motherboard will have higher BIOS version can be easy downgraded to version F01?
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must be modded BIOS because F01 does not include stepping C microcode.
yes you can downgrade to F01.
but i not recommend to buy the QXP4 with full of bugs. you can never update BIOS.
QYF? are cheap today and works on MS33 up to BIOS F17,F19
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check ebay for 8461 ES, 8461v ES, 8468 ES, 8468 ES, 8468v ESHi, thanks for the good advices. I haven't seen any QYF piece yet.
all 48 core
QYFQ 8468v ES2 (QAT accel.)
QYFP 8468v ES2 (no QAT accel.)
QYFU 8461V ES2 (UP)
Oh you are gold thanks.
So you mean if I buy new piece Gigabyte MS33-AR0 so best will be buy from eb 8468?
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As was explained by RolloZ170 (I had a very long enlightening discussion over pm with him) - Gigabyte LGA 4677 MBs do not restrict use of D0 stepping (like my supermicro does unfortunately)
earlier stepping ES CPUs are a very much gamble and very unlikely to work even on Gigabyte despite their liberal openness,
that's why QYF... are recommended from first ES/QS wave (since those are more towards QS spectrum, therefore aren't designed only for hardware but also for software compatibility developments) QV../QW../QX.. (not sure about Q1..) on a design range more towards pure ES samples with stepping (and functionality) not implemented on most retail boards (unless you're BIOS modding wizard).
As for availability of "cheap" versions - depends on your definition of "cheap", most prod versions are still being sold by 50% higher over Intel's "recommended" price.
There are plenty of cheap D0 stepping CPUs (as many users/sellers reporting - supported by Gigabyte boards), for instance ebay China-located items: 204381467422, 125995652712, 364324430741 (I've never bought from them, nor affiliated in any way) in $200-$250 range, while item 175826589225 from US is advertised as having E3 stepping (more retail grade) and theoretically (if it's really E3) should work on more boards (but it's more expensive - starting from $800+delivery, another question is about seller' reliability because of too few sales made and lack of feedback as seller).
Prod/retail CPUs have stepping E5 or S3.
There are production low-core Bronze CPUs available starting from around $600 and up, but Silver/Gold goes for $800~$1500.
Still waiting for market availability myself keeping an eye until something suitable starts being thrown into market hopefully at around $500 but above Dn stepping (again - compatibility with SuperMicro).
P.S. ohh, and of course reminder - ES/QS CPUs aren't designed for long-term life or stability, therefore it's on your own risk.
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Why contemplate such buggy silicon at all? Those chips are not worth 300 USD but (minus!) -5000 USD, because of all the time you'll be wasting trying to figure out why your VMs crash out of the blue. Unless you feel masochistic. To keep sane why not stick with tried and true x3xx Ice Lake or x2xx Cascade Lake generations...
Anybody know if 8260 ES (QQ89) is compatible with Dell T7920 workstations? Seems like getting a whole barebones 7920 is literally the same price if not cheaper compared to other 12 DIMMs/socket lga3647 motherboards, but I can only find sellers claiming QQ89 is compatible with Dell mobos. (Same goes for Lenovo/HP workstations)
yes, QQ89 is only TDP 165W / TDC 228A the microcode A0 50655 is there
but this MCU is not supported since 2019 by intel.
HP lacks A0 microcode in later BIOS.
update: and Intel lacks A0 too
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looks like sapphire Rapids SPR-SP ES works on chipset ASUS WS W790 Ace motherboard.
QYFP (BIOS 0506,0705) all D0 without Intel 4xxx accelerators(QAT) should work
QYFQ,QY06,QY0C (BIOS 0403)
QYFP (BIOS 0506,0705) all D0 without Intel 4xxx accelerators(QAT) should work
QYFQ,QY06,QY0C (BIOS 0403)
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These chips are E3 - the screenshots were not modified. So far i haven't encountered any boards that refused to work with them. I still have a bunch of them - they are selling slowly - so if you live in continental USA i can just send you one for evaluation if you wish.
all sapphire rapids E steppings usualy share SAME microcode, only on SPR-WS systems they may be separated.
806F4 E0
806F5 E2
806F6 E3
806F7 E4
806F8 E5
806F8 E5: this microcode mostly includes reference to E0,E2,E3,E3,E4
- so you may don't see other than
806F8-plat. 87, SPR-SP
and
806F8-plat. 10, SPR-HBM xeon max
806F4 E0
806F5 E2
806F6 E3
806F7 E4
806F8 E5
806F8 E5: this microcode mostly includes reference to E0,E2,E3,E3,E4
- so you may don't see other than
806F8-plat. 87, SPR-SP
and
806F8-plat. 10, SPR-HBM xeon max
Thank you Kizune for generous offer, really appreciate it, generally I'm trying to avoid ES/QS for obvious reasons mentioned previously by multiple parties on this thread
My initial attempt to get it was driven purely by requirements to test recently purchased motherboard and RAM, now DOA return window has closed, therefore no urgent need anymore for any CPU (that's why feasibility criteria was relaxed towards ES grade) above acceptable budget.
Moreover as for home enthusiast user the main market pricing is still a bit beyond justifiable limits (it's not necessarily about your listing)
I do expect proper Gen4 Prod versions starting pouring into the second-hand market somewhere in September and after at materially more affordable price.
Therefore for now won't buy any compatible QS CPU (this eliminates any D stepping and below) above $300 (posting to UK/London can be extra up to $100) without considering lower-core counts editions (also would like to test some of database-related accelerators, although not really hardcore programmer).
And I would be lying by saying that my intent is to buy more CPUs later or for evaluation purposes, it's definitely not, if it goes into the socket and works reliably - then it stays there for long term as proper workstation machine.
That is understandable. And one of the reasons i mentioned continental USA area is that sending stuff to Europe - even a free stuff - can be tricky because of customs. Tried to send a free hardware to my friend in Austria and customs just held the goods until they calculated (no idea how) some arbitrary price for them then imposing a tax that my friend had to pay to get them finally delivered.
If the retail versions of Gen4 chips will be available at the used market by September then prices of the ES and QS processors will eventually go down - but so far i see no indications of that. The problem with Gen4 processors is that the development cycle was prolonged couple of times and the retail processors were not started to ship until Q1 of this year. Because of that i do not see any prospects of customers performing large scale upgrades just 6 months after the inception of the model and i would say that no significant quantity of used retail processors will hit the used market until at least Q3 2024.
And i would never use ES or QS processors in the business critical environment - no matter of how stable they are so i perfectly understand that when i offered to send this processor it would not be because i hoped for any future sale or anything. The thing is - i got these processors in bulk from a recycler paying basically "scrap metal" price so i already recovered my expenses selling 4 of them for the current market price. So my proposal of free CPU stands - if not for you because you are in UK then for someone with desire and knowledge to test compatibility and performance of this chip. All i want in exchange is the feedback here on forum - and no, i will not use any part of this feedback to promote or push any sales. I have 2 chips i can spare at the moment. If someone have an access to the W790 based board that would be a plus because i heard controversial reports about the compatibility of WS boards with the server Sapphire Rapids processors and would love to hear back first hand if this processor will run on any of these boards.
i have ASUS WS W790 Ace, runs QYFQ (similar 8468v) and other D0 ES2.
some other reported X13SWA runs SPR-SPs(no proof until now)
keep in mind W790 mboards are designed for 112 or 64 PCIe lanes, SPR-SP gives 80,
hard to say which slots/ports are missing compared to W-3400.