ES Xeon Discussion

[sam55todd]

After feels like weeks-long tests and consultations with RolloZ170 over PM about getting at least some POST Codes other than "ff" even if Sapphire Rapids QYFQ CPU is ES/QS but still compatible with LGA4677 Socket standard (but might not be supported by BIOS due to lack of stepping microcode) - have decided to hit "initiate return" on e-bay since all evidence is pointing to 99% defective CPU likelihood (motherboard is brand-new from Supermicro in nicely handled package by DHL with all other systems {BMC} functioning properly including front panel leds, Fan subsystem, etc.).
If I could get anything else than always "ff" even after hitting "power on" button and always getting only 25 seconds CPU fan rotation cycle before system getting back to "off" state (with operational BMC - that's how I was connecting to it after all) - that would be at least some progress but may be next time..

 

[sam55todd]

I've noticed (still on a lookout since my ES attempt is considered to have failed or DOA) Prod Gold Xeons have already hit the market on ebay (for instance item 195780388631 , more than 10 available), for now pricing is pretty close as per Intel' recommendations.
In accordance to rumors the way Intel experiences Sapphire Rapids platform orders cancelled or forecasted to be reduced (on another hand GCP has just announced Sapphire Rapids compute availability) because of some slowdown in IT - we might start to see these coming at much more affordable price in just a month or two.

 

[RolloZ170]

supermicro removed microcode for this D0, even it is a Production microcode.
have asked and they replied:
"Intel removes support for these from the microcode, Supermicro doesn't do any effort to put them back in, unlike brands like Gigabyte.
ES CPUs are not officially supported, there is nothing we can do about this. "

if you want to use ice-lake non D0 ES, avoid supermicro motherboards.
if you want to use sapphire rapids D0 ES, avoid supermicro C741 motherboards.
if you want to use sapphire rapids D0/E0 ES, avoid ASRock Rack C741 motherboards.
( later E0 like Q0K* are ok, but Q03*,Q08* don't work )
(QS are ok of course)

 

[dsp8913]

Good to know, thanks Rollo!

Also, can you verify that ES support was removed from the AsRock Rack SPC621D8 starting with BIOS 1.30? The beta BIOS 1.23 works with ES (non-QS) CPUs, but 1.30 and 1.40 don't boot with them.

 

[RolloZ170]

Also, can you verify that ES support was removed from the AsRock Rack SPC621D8 starting with BIOS 1.30? The beta BIOS 1.23 works with ES (non-QS) CPUs, but 1.30 and 1.40 don't boot with them.

AsRock Rack SPC621D8
YES, Intel SPS blocks ES, all microcodes are still there
P1621D81.20 - CSE SPS: 04.04.04.053 ES
P1621D81.23 - CSE SPS: 04.04.04.053 ES
P1621D81.30 - CSE SPS: 04.04.04.202 no ES
P1621D81.40 - CSE SPS: 04.04.04.202 no ES

edit:
stepping D0 ES like QWAS,QWAQ,QWAN,QWAT,QWAP are still working
update:
by manualy update ME i got ES working again on X13SRA W790 board.
just keep the data partition. should work with Intel SPS too.

 

[Cjsm]

Is there anyone who have hp z8/z6 g4 firmware lower than 2.21 version?
HP deleted this file from their server
I desperately looking for this file :/

 

[RolloZ170]

Is there anyone who have hp z8/z6 g4 firmware lower than 2.21 version?

how lower ? will be 2.19 low enough i.e. ? may i ask for what reason do you need ?

 

[Cjsm]

how lower ? will be 2.19 low enough i.e. ? may i ask for what reason do you need ?

oh thank you so much for your help I’m desperately looking for this file for 3days
I‘m looking for this file because I want to upgrade my cpu to ES XEON 8160 24C/48T from Xeon Silver 4108 8C/16T
So I’m looking for bios file with es cpu micro code
thank you so much for your help

 

[RolloZ170]

I‘m looking for this file because I want to upgrade my cpu to ES XEON 8160 24C/48T

this is Skylake B0 cpuid 50652. you need 1.xx BIOS (pre 2nd gen BIOS)

 

[Cjsm]

this is Skylake B0 cpuid 50652. you need 1.xx BIOS (pre 2nd gen BIOS)

Thanks for letting me know
I’m considering to purchase xeon P-8124 or xeon 8124m
Will these cpus work on hp z6 g4?

 

[RolloZ170]

I’m considering to purchase xeon P-8124 or xeon 8124m
Will these cpus work on hp z6 g4?

NO !
the P-8124 is Skylake B1, microcode not included.
and both have TDP=240W / TDC=255A and need VRM controller with ICC_MAX = 255A
other mboard can be modded but the Z6 G4 VRM is too weak.

 

[Cjsm]

NO !
the P-8124 is Skylake B1, microcode not included.
and both have TDP=240W / TDC=255A and need VRM controller with ICC_MAX = 255A
other mboard can be modded but the Z6 G4 VRM is too weak.

Bro I finally made it!!!
I've been looking for this file for 4 days all day long
I have big news to HP Z6/Z8 G4 workstation owners
I found HP Z6/Z8 G4 workstation's super early version bios file with Engineering Sample microcode.
If is there anyone want this file just PM me I'll send this file for free
I won't upload this publically because it might be illegal to upload hp bios in public
(Please let me know if it isn't lol)
Now I have a question can I use ES processor such as QL1K?
Since this file has 50652h microcode

 

[RolloZ170]

Now I have a question can I use ES processor such as QL1K?
Since this file has 50652h microcode

should work yes.

 

[tesla100]

Bro I finally made it!!!
I've been looking for this file for 4 days all day long
I have big news to HP Z6/Z8 G4 workstation owners
I found HP Z6/Z8 G4 workstation's super early version bios file with Engineering Sample microcode.
If is there anyone want this file just PM me I'll send this file for free
I won't upload this publically because it might be illegal to upload hp bios in public
(Please let me know if it isn't lol)
Now I have a question can I use ES processor such as QL1K?
Since this file has 50652h microcodeView attachment 29379

Hi,

Have you managed to downgrade to that old bios? I thought it was not possible to downgrade from a 2.X bios to 1.X.

Cheers

 

[RolloZ170]

Have you managed to downgrade to that old bios? I thought it was not possible to downgrade from a 2.X bios to 1.X.

P60 Firmware Family - Revision History:

WARNING: AMT must be enabled before downgrading from any 2.XX BIOS version to any 1.XX BIOS version. This requirement is due to a ME Firmware mechanism incompatibility between these different major BIOS versions. After a successful BIOS downgrade AMT can be disabled.

 

[sam55todd]

Affordable ES+MB DP bundle listings with LGA4677 Sapphire Rapids started to appear on e-bay like itm 385686986603 : GigaByte MS73 + 2x 20Core ES QYFT CPU

 

[RolloZ170]

Affordable ES+MB DP bundle listings with LGA4677 Sapphire Rapids started to appear on e-bay like itm 385686986603 : GigaByte MS73 + 2x 20Core ES QYFT CPU

the seller wants $1399 usd for the bare MS73 board, makes $400 usd for 2x QYFT.
$200 is pretty much, you can get QYFQ/QYFP ES2 D0 48 Core for $200 usd.

 

[sam55todd]

Yes, thank you, I saw bare-CPU options at that price, but for now trying to avoid ES with D-stepping because of my X13DEI Supermicro issues with those (since vendor decided not to implement retail bios support for it).
Previous post was just to point--out what it's gradually gaining a broader availability on a market.

 

[some1else]

Anybody have a guess what these Sapphire Rapids OPNs might mean in terms of cores/clocks and compatibility?

QY36
Q0KG

For the first one google says C2 56core but still a QYnn, which is most compatible opn from what I've red so far, so sounds strange to me.
As for the second one, google is absolutely silent ...

 

[RolloZ170]

Anybody have a guess what these Sapphire Rapids OPNs might mean in terms of cores/clocks and compatibility?
QY36
Q0KG

QY36 1.7 Ghz 105.0MB 56C 350W C2 <- you need Debug BIOS. this stepping in not supported by Intel RC anymore.
Q0KS 2.0 Ghz 36C 300W stepping E0
Q0KG 2.0 Ghz 52C 350W, step E0
E0 currently supported by all stock BIOS (SM,Tyan, GB)