DDR5 RDIMM is powered with +12V. your PSU has to stay ON. the hardware EFI driver must be up to date because the EFI BIOS does not init.from scratch up if wakeup,
i.e. my SM X11SPM sleeped/waked up well until i use PCIe GPU
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i.e. my SM X11SPM sleeped/waked up well until i use PCIe GPU
How about Icelake-SP ES (Stepping 5，QVxx), especially when working with supermicro single slot motherboards with 1.0bios, will there be malfunctions (such as memory channel drop, BSOD) in specific situations? Or are they completely unable to be used as production tools at all?
afaik only ES1 are affected. note the mem.channels vanish and never come back.How about Icelake-SP ES (Stepping 5，QVxx), especially when working with supermicro single slot motherboards with 1.0bios, will there be malfunctions (such as memory channel drop, BSOD) in specific situations? Or are they completely unable to be used as production tools at all?
some say it is a silicon issue, some say due the lack of chemicals, intel doesn't use die/substrat sealing for ES1(corrosion)
there are ES1 and ES2 stepping C0 (step ID 5)
QVM7,QVM8 are ES2.
QV2E,QV2E are ES1.
you want to live with a buggy BIOS ? on any problems you can't ask supermicro because they force you to upgrade to latest BIOS first.when working with supermicro single slot motherboards with 1.0bios
if you want to run non PRD stepping ES stay away from supermicro.
i have sold my X13SEI and moved to ASUS because i can mod the BIOS there, gigabyte is fine too.
tyan and asrock-rack removed non PRD stepping ES support.
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But I have already buy a x12spl with 1.0bios and have a Qvm7. You mentioned that there are defects in the 1.0 version of the bios, are they serious? This will make me decide whether to return this supermicro motherboard.Alternatively buy QWAx (step 6) and upgrade biosyou want to live with a buggy BIOS ? on any problems you can't ask supermicro because they force you to upgrade to latest BIOS first.
if you want to run non PRD stepping ES stay away from supermicro.
i have sold my X13SEI and moved to ASUS because i can mod the BIOS there, gigabyte is fine too.
tyan and asrock-rack removed non PRD stepping ES support.
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there are bugs in any older BIOS, for that reason they provide updates.You mentioned that there are defects in the 1.0 version of the bios, are they serious?
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BIOS X12SPL release Notes summary
Release Version 1.5 (4/21/2023)
1. Updated 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_075 Intel 2023.2 IPUPV, please check header for firmware revisions.
2. No boot option for single HDD under RAID mode.
3. Added ECM RNDIS support.
4. Improved VROC key detection
1. Fixed the SUM TC: 2020 test fail problem.
1.4b (1/9/2023)
1. Updated 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_74 Intel BKCWW46 IPU2023.1.
2. Added enhancements to resolve the issue where the SUM TC: 220/271/356/457/2071/3056/4057
with Windows OS caused the boot order compare fail after flashing the BIOS.
3. Updated the SA50157 Boot_Variables_Access.
4. Updated the SEL for processor error.
5. Updated Intel Server Platform Services for Whitley Server Platforms IPU2023.1 4.4.4.301.
1.4 (7/14/2022)
1. Updated BIOS version to 1.4.
2. Updated 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_72 Intel BKCWW23 PLR3, please check header for
firmware revisions. For INTEL-SA-00657 Security Advisory to address CVE-2022-21233(6.0,
Medium) security issue. For INTEL-SA-00686 Security Advisory to address CVE-2021-33060(7.8,
High) security issue.
3. Updated VROC SATA/sSATA EFI driver to VROC PreOS v7.7.6.1004 to address INTEL-TA-00692.
4. Added "CSM Support" setup item into SMCISBForm page.
5. Updated ucode M87606A6_0D000375 to address below issue.
6. Added Link Retrain per port in BIOS.
7. Fixed SATA device, functioning abnormally.
8. If chassis type of FRU0 is not 1(other) or 2(unknown), sync it to SMBIOS type 3.
1.2 (5/3/2022)
1. Update BIOS version to 1.2.
2. Update AMI 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_070_BETA RC27P52 for BKC 2021_WW52 (PLR1), and
RC27P56 for PLR1 HF.
3. Changed string "VMX" to "Intel Virtualization Technology".
4. Removed 1G option from MMCFG base to avoid system hang.
5. Fixed the SMBIOS event log ERROR CODE not display correctly under BIOS menu issue (EFI error
type).
6. Rolled back VROC SATA/sSATA EFI driver to VROC PreOS v7.6.0.1012 to fix system hang when
VMD is enabled.
7. Fixed issue with password that can't be preserved after loading default via Supermicro Update
Manager (SUM).
1. Updated 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_069 Beta Intel BKCWW39
2021 PV MR7.
2. Updated Dx/Mx microcode from Intel-Generic-Microcode20210927_NDA.
3. Extended NVMe OPROM control options to 24 slots.
4. Turned on Shutdown Suppression and Log MCA IERR to fix crash
dump error.
5. Removed support for the default CA-Cert, Client-Cert, and PrivateKey.
6. Added multiple KMS Server Support for SmcKMS.
7. Fixed the wording of the TCG NVMe KMS Policy.
8. Changed some Setup Item types from String type to Password type.
9. Added SmcKMS Probe function.
10. Updated Asp2600 module.
11. Updated the strings on the Setup Menu related to SmcKMS.
12. Added "DelCaCert", "DelClientCert", and "DelClientPriKey" into
SmcOOB Interface for SUM to remove CERT keys.
13. Set Enhanced PPR from Enabled to Disabled.
14. Displayed item "Data Link Feature Exchange" on PCIe SLOT pages.
1. Fixed inability to change COM port resource and failure of item's
behavior.
2. Updated boot status to BMC at first power-on for test scenario
"flashing other ROM immediately".
3. Removed 1G option from MMCFG base to prevent system hang.
4. Fixed problem of only one CERT key updating successfully when
updating all CERT keys (CA, Client Cert, and Private Key) by BIOSCfg at
the same time.
5. Implemented restoration of ROM-Hole and NVRAM Variables that
should be kept after checking if GUID-HOB
(NvramLoadDefaultModeGuid) exists.
6. Set bits of IPMI CMD 30_A0_15 to be cleared according to usage of
location instead of all bytes.
7. Updated SmcOutBand in SmcPKG/Module/SmcOOB to fix the
failure to store DMI data when executing "SUM -c
LoadDefaultBiosCfg".
1.1a (07/30/2021)
1. Updated 5.22_WhitleyCrb_0ACMS_ICX_066_BETA Intel BKCWW24 2021 PV MR4.
2. Updated Dx/Mx microcode from Intel-Generic-Microcode-20210701_NDA.
3. Updated SATA/sSATA EFI driver to VROC PreOS v7.6.0.1012.
4. Updated SPS 4.4.4.56 PV MR2.
5. Fixed the issue with TPM 1.2/2.0 disappearing when enabling Intel "TXT Support" without
provisioning Intel TXT requiring NV indices to TPM.
6. Changed "Hard Drive Security Frozen" default setting to disabled.
7. Added support to SUM upload/delete HTTPS TLS certificate. (Default disabled by TOKEN
"Sum_UploadTlsKey_SUPPORT")
8. Disabled EFI iSCSI support.
9. Path BMC Redfish Host Interface was renamed as ethX for the case where CDN was disabled under
Linux OS.
10. Fixed the issue that WHLK TPM 2.0 Supplemental test failed.
11. Fixed the issue with SGX settings not getting preserved after updating BIOS. The function cannot
support IPMI web updating BIOS.
12. Fixed the issue due to which wrong FW version and vendor were shown on Trusted computing
page.
1.1 (4/9/2021)
1. Updated RC 20.P95 for PV RC update.
2. Updated BIOS ACM 1.0.9 and SINIT ACM 1.0.9.
3. Updated SPS 4.4.4.53.
4. Automatically disabled and hid ADDDC with x8 width DIMM.
5. Extended memory DIMM serial number information (Samsung, Micron, Hynix).
6. Enhanced SMC DCPMM feature.
7. Automatically disabled and grayed out ADDDC, UMA-Base Clustering, and mirror mode and enabled
NUMA when SGX is enabled.
8. Set relation setup to restore setting after "Factory Mode" is disabled.
9. Removed 4G limit of Intel LAN memory if boot mode is not legacy.
10. Set all OPROM control items to Legacy when boot mode is set to Dual.
11. Updated SATA/sSATA EFI driver to VROC PreOS v7.5.0.1152.
12. Updated BPS firmware to 2.2.0.1553.
13. Set BootGuard to enabled by default.
14. Removed iSCSI option from LAN OPROM item.
15. Removed 4G limit of Intel LAN memory if boot mode is EFI.
16. Set PCH PCIe ASPM to disabled if CPU PCIe global ASPM is disabled.
17. Stopped sending major code 0x2A (no memory ) SEL.
18. Added support for VROC OOB.
19. Changed "SMCI PMem Formset" to "SMCI PMem Configuration".
20. Fixed problem of BIOS initialization showing IPV6 address when IPV6 is disabled in the IPMI GUI.
21. Filtered Dynamic HDD Security pages to patch failure of SUM ChangeBiosCfg.
22. Set AFU to stop if there are no parameters.
23. Fixed mismatch of memory device in IPMI and in BIOS setup when some memory DIMMs are
mapped out.
24. Corrected display of IPv6 when IPv6 status is not active.
25. Fixed inability to upload all OOB files on the first BMC boot.
26. Fixed failure of Secure Boot Append/Update Keys.on LGA4189 platform recently ASRock Rack and Gigabyte removed non PRD stepping ES support.This will make me decide whether to return this supermicro motherboard.Alternatively buy QWAx (step 6) and upgrade bios
but there are BIOS you can go back to or someone can mod. BIOS.
note: supermicro's BIOS is signed and protected by RootOfTrust. no way for modding.
I tested x12spl+qvm7 and they didn't work well. When opening hwinfo and cpu-z sometimes blue screen (memory management). And c-state must be turned off otherwise the system will be very slow. This should be a problem caused by the early BIOS and CPU, because the c-state bug disappeared after replacing qwas (D0) but hwinfo blue screen still exists, I think icx step5 is unusable.on LGA4189 platform recently ASRock Rack and Gigabyte removed non PRD stepping ES support.
but there are BIOS you can go back to or someone can mod. BIOS.
note: supermicro's BIOS is signed and protected by RootOfTrust. no way for modding.
HWinfo: settings, safety, safe scan of potentially problematic PCI devices.I tested x12spl+qvm7 and they didn't work well. When opening hwinfo and cpu-z sometimes blue screen (memory management).
same on SPR-SP
it is not ES issue.
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must be X12SPL issue, i have X12SPM and QVM7 with no issues like that.And c-state must be turned off otherwise the system will be very slow
Did you also encounter hwinfo blue screen on the SPR-SP platform?The c-state bug is acceptable, but hwinfo frustrates me so much that even though the cpu has passed all the performance tests and stress tests, I still returned the x12spl, maybe I should have kept them, they are probably the best production tool you can buy at this price.must be X12SPL issue, i have X12SPM and QVM7 with no issues like that.
Performance tests are still normal, but all cores display at 3600mhz(Scheduling bugs?), normal at full cpu load, and significantly slow response at empty load (requires 3s to open task manager)must be X12SPL issue, i have X12SPM and QVM7 with no issues like that.
yes with some HWinfo versions and with unbalanced DIMM population(i.e. only one DIMM)Did you also encounter hwinfo blue screen on the SPR-SP platform?
it is more a HWinfo issue.
1..18 cores can do 3600 on QVM7, displaying ths core clocks is still to slow to get that.Performance tests are still normal, but all cores display at 3600mhz(Scheduling bugs?)
windows likes it hopping the threads from core to core to prevent wear out of single cores.
LOL. same on SPR. maybe latest Win drivers solve that issue.and significantly slow response at empty load (requires 3s to open task manager)
x12 and ES step 4 or 5 is bad solution. you stuck on buggy BIOS forever.I still returned the x12spl, maybe I should have kept them, they are probably the best production tool you can buy at this price.
at the risk of repeating myself:
avoid supermicro if you want to run non PRD stepping ES
Yes, I gave up all attempts and returned X12SPL, but the CPU is very difficult to handle,it's can't return. The problem is not with the supermicro because it can run PRD CPU very well, but with the es CPU. Should never try ICX Step5x12 and ES step 4 or 5 is bad solution. you stuck on buggy BIOS forever.
at the risk of repeating myself:
avoid supermicro if you want to run non PRD stepping ES
they run fine withShould never try ICX Step5
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No x12spi-n6 found only x12dpi-n6 and x12spi-tf. Tried mu72-su0, the hwinfo/cpuz bug still exists and there is a problem of a single core being continuously full (supermicro does not have this problem)，I don't plan to continue trying to use this CPU full of bugthey run fine with X12SPi-N6 up to BIOS 1.1b for some reason. maybe some OEMs still need to run them.
Thank you for your replies, they are very helpful
sorry, was a typoNo x12spi-n6 found only x12dpi-n6 and x12spi-tf
X12DPi-N6
had BSOD with SPR PRD unit. should be solved in latest Hwinfo package.the hwinfo/cpuz bug still exists
running both same time results usualy in problems, both of them use direct hw access.
This looks a little suspect, but has anyone seen and/or know anything about these 3945x QS cpus?
Intel Xeon W9-3495X QS CPU processor 56 core 112 threads 1.9GHZ LGA4677 350W
Intel Xeon W9-3495X QS CPU processor 56 core 112 threads 1.9GHZ LGA4677 350W