ES Xeon Discussion

[RolloZ170]

There are some Sapphire Rapids ES floating on Taobao and ebay, does anybody tested them?

yes,
give me QDF and i can check.
if you want to buy one, take QYnn, better higher second letter than X, after Z comes '0'
QVnn, QWnn, QXnn are to old and need to work Test/Debug BIOS.
if you want to buy motherboard for test, avoid supermicro, X13 uses RoT mechanism, no BIOS modd.
gigabyte is best. Tyan/ASRock C741 boards lack microcode D0.
SPR-WS need W790 chipset(DMI4x8)
SPR-SP need C741 chipset(DMI3x8)
edit:
SPR-SP ES D0 run on ASUS W790 boards.
ASRock W790 WS BIOS includes D0 microcode too, but not tested.

 

[Cute_SC2]

Does anyone know the boost frequency steps for a Platinum 8272cl?
All I could find out is 2C 37X and all Core 34X non AVX.

 

[RolloZ170]

Does anyone know the boost frequency steps for a Platinum 8272cl?

yes, but HWinfo in german sorry.

 

[Cute_SC2]

Thx
German is ok, I can read that.

 

[unwind-protect]

yes, but HWinfo in german sorry.
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Why are some of the turbos locked out?

 

[RolloZ170]

Thx
German is ok, I can read that.

have added some pictures

 

[krista]

has anyone seen any w9-3400x series es/es2/qs cpus floating around?

 

[RolloZ170]

has anyone seen any w9-3400x series es/es2/qs cpus floating around?

no but forget ES C0, C1, C2). the microcode is not included even in oldest official BIOS.
stepping D0 will work (except Tyan)
SPR-WS ES2 D0 (QYQU) 56C/112T – 105 MB 350W
SPR-WS ES2 D0 (QYQV) 36C/72T – 67.5 MB 300W
SPR-WS ES2 D0 (QYQW) 12C/24T – 30 MB 200W
Xeon W9-3495X E2 (Q19N), E3 (Q19R) 56C/112T 1.9 GHz 105 MB 350W
Xeon W9-3475X E2 (Q19M), E3 (Q19S) 36C/72T 2.2 GHz 82.5 MB 300W
Xeon W7-3465X E2 (Q19L), E3 (Q19T) 28C/56T 2.5 GHz 75 MB 300W
Xeon W7-3455 E2 (Q19K), E3 (Q19U) 24C/48T 2.5 GHz 67.5 MB 270W
Xeon W7-3445 E2 (Q19J), E3 (Q19V) 20C/40T 2.6 GHz 52.5 MB 270W
Xeon W5-3435X E2 (Q19H), E3 (Q19W) 16C/32T 3.1 GHz 45 MB 270W
Xeon W5-3433 E2 (Q19F), E3 (Q19Y) 16C/32T 2.0 GHz 45 MB 220W
Xeon W5-3425 E2 (Q19G), E3 (Q19X) 12C/24T 3.2 GHz 30 MB 270W
Xeon W5-3423 E2 (Q19E), E3 (Q19Z) 12C/24T 2.1 GHz 30 MB 220W

SOME SPR-SP

Gold 6430 QS E3(Q16W) E5(Q23B) 32C/64T 2.1 GHz 60 MB 270W
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFQ) 8468V? S8S SST-PP, QAT,DSA, 48C/96T 1.5 GHz 90 MB 270W
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFP) 8468V? S8S SST-PP, DSA, 48C/96T 1.5 GHz 90 MB 270W
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFN) 8468V? S4S SST-PP, DSA, 48C/96T 1.5 GHz 90 MB 270W
update:
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFU) 8461V? 48C/96T 1.8 GHz 90 MB 300W
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFX) 8490H? 60C/120T 1.7 GHz 112.5 MB 350W
SPR-SP ES2 D0 (QYFS/QYFR) 8480? 56C/112T 1.9 GHz 105 MB 350W

 

[bayleyw]

How bad is SPR D0? My understanding is there were *a lot* of SPR steppings because the pre-final ones were...kind of broken, but perhaps the broken parts were just the accelerators and the CPU features work fine?

 

[RolloZ170]

How bad is SPR D0?

D0 is good, mostly ES2. if you find a board with BIOS still included microcode for stepping D0.
Tyan BIOS only includes Ex stepping microcodes. Gigabyte still includes stepping D0.
i don't found any (official) BIOS with support of the B0,C0,C1,C2 steppings.
i expect many DDR5,PCIe 5 issues with early SPR ES.
QYFQ ( yes, i have currently only one working RDIMM Kingston KF556R36RB-16 @4800)

 

[jon1983]

Dear Experts,

would the following Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 ES QQ87 28C 2,7 GHz 3,3/4,0 GHz 38,5 MB 205W LGA3647 DDR4 work on a Supermicro X11DPI-N mobo?

kind regards,

J

 

[RolloZ170]

would the following Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 ES QQ87 28C 2,7 GHz 3,3/4,0 GHz 38,5 MB 205W LGA3647 DDR4 work on a Supermicro X11DPI-N mobo?

yes.

 

[RolloZ170]

ice lakes ES2 become cheap, even from ebay us.
you need asrock or gigabyte motherboard, or supermicro but:
works only on supermicro single socket with BIOS 1.0(hardly to find) and X12DPi with BIOS up to 1.1c
on the first picture it looks like the QVM7(8360y ES2) can go x36 all cores, but it is only an illusion(greetings from windows task scheduler)



but if we disable 18 cores QVM7 can do x36 all cores.

 

[dsp8913]

Thanks for the reply RolloZ170. I can verify that the QVM7 only does 36x on up to 18 cores, as I've ran one of these with HWiNFO64 myself on an AsRock Rack SPC621D8 board. I would post a picture, but the site is being picky on image file size.

 

[RolloZ170]

QVM7 only does 36x on up to 18 cores, as I've ran one of these with HWiNFO64 myself on an AsRock Rack SPC621D8 board. I would post a picture, but the site is being picky on image file size.

only ? the max. turbo is reached with only 1-2 cores on most processors.

I would post a picture, but the site is being picky on image file size.

max. 1 MB
(dl & install irfanview and reduce file size, save as jpg, percentage quality down from 100% to x until it fits)

 

[dracocephalum]

Hi, anyone knows the TDC of a Xeon 8273CL? I am just trying to see if I am lucky or I still have to mod VRM to get it work. I am with X11QPH+ so.... tbh I can't even seem to be able to locate the pins for modding VRM

 

[RolloZ170]

Hi, anyone knows the TDC of a Xeon 8273CL?

no VRM mod required. but some SM BIOS have issues. if your POST stops somewhere, report the code.

 

[Insan1tyOne]

D0 is good, mostly ES2. if you find a board with BIOS still included microcode for stepping D0.
Tyan BIOS only includes Ex stepping microcodes. Gigabyte still includes stepping D0.
i don't found any (official) BIOS with support of the B0,C0,C1,C2 steppings.
i expect many DDR5,PCIe 5 issues with early SPR ES.
QYFQ ( yes, i have currently only one working RDIMM Kingston KF556R36RB-16 @4800)
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A couple of questions for you regarding the new Sapphire Rapids ES CPUs that are out in the wild. I will be asking about the SPR-SP ES CPUs specifically:

1.) You say to avoid the Supermicro X13 motherboards as they use RoT, but you have a QYFQ CPU running on a Supermicro X13 board? How is that possible? Did you replace the BIOS chip on the board manually or were you able to flash this board back to BIOS version 1.0?

2.) You say that Gigabyte C741 motherboards, like the MS03-CE0, are the best for these Sapphire Rapids ES CPUs. Do you know which BIOS revision for these boards still supports stepping D0? The only two BIOS revisions I see on Gigabytes website are F10 (February) and F13 (March). If it needs to be a BIOS prior to F10, do you have access to it?

3.) Do you have any information regarding Asrock C741 motherboards and stepping D0? I have had good luck with them in the past, but have only seen Supermicro, Tyan, and Gigabtye mentioned in regards to Sapphire Rapids ES CPUs.

I appreciate all the info you have given us so far on this topic seeing as the SPR CPUs are still so new.

 

[RolloZ170]

1.) You say to avoid the Supermicro X13 motherboards as they use RoT, but you have a QYFQ CPU running on a Supermicro X13 board? How is that possible?

i have a (unofficial)BIOS allows bring up(ME) of ES with stepping D0 microcode.

Did you replace the BIOS chip on the board manually or were you able to flash this board back to BIOS version 1.0?

edit: flash back from BIOS 1.1 to BIOS 1.0 is rejected by IPMI/SUM, if you got a MBoard with BIOS 1.0a the downgrade should work.
i have replaced the BIOS chip with a SOIC8 SMT socket to be safe for the future.

 

[RolloZ170]

2.) You say that Gigabyte C741 motherboards, like the MS03-CE0, are the best for these Sapphire Rapids ES CPUs. Do you know which BIOS revision for these boards still supports stepping D0?

BIOS F06 is OK, but F10 still uncludes D0.(cpuid 806F3)
newer BIOS without this MC can be modded thought.

BIOS F13 still includes microcode for stepping D0