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ASUS Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE + Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids SPR-SP

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My current setup with Emerald Rapids Q2SR, GB MS03-CE0, and 8x32GB Micron 5600MHz have bandwidth:
AIDA64 7.60.7300 - Memory Read 313,19 GB/s Write 251,39 GB/s Copy 278,45 GB/s

My old setup with Sapphire Rapids QYFS, AS W790E-SAGE, and 8x16GB Kingston 6000MHz had bandwidth:
AIDA64 7.00.6700 - Memory Read 234,30 GB/s Write 173,16 GB/s Copy 188,02 GB/s
That's a big increase, do you think it's just the change to Emerald Rapids? My QYK8 has similar memory bandwidth compared to your Q2SR with 4800MHz sticks. I do have a Q2SR on order though...
 

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I just got another 4 sticks of RAM for my SAGE-SE board to match the existing 4. Except DIMM slot H1 wasn't recognizing any stick. I read in an earlier reply here suggestions to reseat the CPU. I decided to try tightening the heatsink down before going through a full re-seating. Sure enough, the screws were just a tiny bit loose. After snugging up all the screws in sequence, all 8 channels were recognized and trained successfully, taking a standard XMP OC without problems.
 
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I read in an earlier reply here suggestions to reseat the CPU. I decided to try tightening the heatsink down before going through a full re-seating. Sure enough, the screws were just a tiny bit loose.
that is often happen if the user is not brave enough.
 
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RolloZ170

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Or does not have a torque control screwdriver. I mean these plastic nuts are scary.
i turn until it stops turn...a hundret times so far, all best with plastics. with a torque driver you fasten some more, but it does not turn anymore.
btw: the plastics is intel norm/standard and can be replaced.
 

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Or does not have a torque control screwdriver. I mean these plastic nuts are scary.
The smallest torque device I have starts at 10 inch-pounds, which is > 1 Nm. The Noctua NH-U14S DX-4677 doesn't have a torque specification but I've read to use 0.8Nm for other devices. I just tightened by hand with the supplied torx wrench until it was 3 fingers tight.
 

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That's a big increase, do you think it's just the change to Emerald Rapids? My QYK8 has similar memory bandwidth compared to your Q2SR with 4800MHz sticks. I do have a Q2SR on order though...
It has to be a combination of the higher memory frequency supported by Emerald Rapids and 2Rx8 RDIMMs (or am I wrong?). As far as the memory read bandwidths go, here are the numbers posted by different users in the forum:

QYFS with 1Rx8 - 230-240 GB/s
QYFS (or even retail 8480+?) with 2Rx8 - 271.53 GB/s (see https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...cie-root-complex-discussion.42917/post-408196)
Q2SR with 2Rx8 - 313.19 GB/s

These numbers make the theoretical bandwidths look quite meaningful after all.
 

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The smallest torque device I have starts at 10 inch-pounds, which is > 1 Nm. The Noctua NH-U14S DX-4677 doesn't have a torque specification but I've read to use 0.8Nm for other devices. I just tightened by hand with the supplied torx wrench until it was 3 fingers tight.
I bought specifically for the LGA4677 socket a Wiha torque screwdriver, plus an attachment. One disadvantage is that it is not cheap, but it is of good quality, and I can adjust the torque as I want (I bought variant from 0,5 to 2 nm).

Wiha 26462
Wiha 27526
Wiha 24750
 
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I have an Asus W790 Sage-SE with Q071 32C/64T. Current status is booting to BIOS as I have yet to install an OS.
Is there any reason to have a BIOS other than the 0215 original BIOS? Does it provide benefits/stability/features to update?
Otherwise, I was going to attempt to flash my system to 0215 (it was received with a later BIOS).
 

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Is there any reason to have a BIOS other than the 0215 original BIOS? Does it provide benefits/stability/features to update?
Otherwise, I was going to attempt to flash my system to 0215 (it was received with a later BIOS).
if possible don't downgrade BIOS to more unsecure ones except you have issues.
 

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if possible don't downgrade BIOS to more unsecure ones except you have issues.
Reading through this thread, I came under the impression that W790 Sage BIOS beyond the first loses features (RAM overclocking, unless I misunderstood) and compatibility with ES CPUs. If that isn't true, then I have no need to downgrade the BIOS.
 

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I came under the impression that W790 Sage BIOS beyond the first loses features (RAM overclocking, unless I misunderstood)
RAM OC was available for SPR-SP ES by mistake.
and compatibility with ES CPUs.
keep in mind that there is no intented compatibility with SPR-SP, they run because there are SPR-WS stepping D0 ES.
if you downgrade to have RAM OC you loose security, if you agree to this have fun.
 

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processors sometimes break, even more so when they're overclocked. That's usually not a problem; you have a warranty. ES aren't manufactured with the same care as retail processors, so expect a much higher failure rate. I'll never understand why people aren't happy to have a cheap CPU but instead do everything they can to destroy it.
 

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processors sometimes break, even more so when they're overclocked. That's usually not a problem; you have a warranty. ES aren't manufactured with the same care as retail processors, so expect a much higher failure rate. I'll never understand why people aren't happy to have a cheap CPU but instead do everything they can to destroy it.
My intent wasn't to overclock the CPU, but to potentially have the RAM go at its listed speed (mine are Hynix hmcg78agbra188n, 5600mbps ) as opposed to the base speed. Also, I'm completely unaware of what security flaws the older BIOS would have compared to the more recent BIOS. At the very least, I wasn't intending to use the system for anything that I would understand put it at risk nor was I going to use it for downloading files on less-than-reputable sites.
 

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My intent wasn't to overclock the CPU, but to potentially have the RAM go at its listed speed (mine are Hynix hmcg78agbra188n, 5600mbps ) as opposed to the base speed. Also, I'm completely unaware of what security flaws the older BIOS would have compared to the more recent BIOS. At the very least, I wasn't intending to use the system for anything that I would understand put it at risk nor was I going to use it for downloading files on less-than-reputable sites.

That dude is just ranting, ignore him. Stay on the lowest bios that works for you. Most likely you are going to use it for your non-enterprise use cases and you would be just fine. If you are using an engineering sample processor staying on a lower bios just make sense. Given that you are using an Intel confidential CPU to begin with, those security fixes in the upper bios aren't really your major concern right now. So yeah just ignore that other dude and stay on the initial bios that was released.
 

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My intent wasn't to overclock the CPU, but to potentially have the RAM go at its listed speed (mine are Hynix hmcg78agbra188n, 5600mbps ) as opposed to the base speed
to get that 5600 you have to OC the memory controller. Sapphire Rapids = only 4800
Also, I'm completely unaware of what security flaws the older BIOS would have compared to the more recent BIOS.
why do they provide new BIOS ? microcode (not D0 ES) fixed bugs, found vulnerabilites in Intel ME, UEFI (logofail)
 

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That dude is just ranting, ignore him. Stay on the lowest bios that works for you. Most likely you are going to use it for your non-enterprise use cases and you would be just fine. If you are using an engineering sample processor staying on a lower bios just make sense. Given that you are using an Intel confidential CPU to begin with, those security fixes in the upper bios aren't really your major concern right now. So yeah just ignore that other dude and stay on the initial bios that was released.
He’s not ranting. Memory controller is part of the CPU . By forcing it work outside of the specified parameters you are overclocking it. I do run 9480 D0 with memory overclock but I have a tray of 4 spare processors in case I fry one or two. When I will only have two left I will stop playing this game and will run memory at 4800 as intended. Frying memory controller on SPR-SP D0 is not unheard of.
 

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He’s not ranting. Memory controller is part of the CPU . By forcing it work outside of the specified parameters you are overclocking it. I do run 9480 D0 with memory overclock but I have a tray of 4 spare processors in case I fry one or two. When I will only have two left I will stop playing this game and will run memory at 4800 as intended. Frying memory controller on SPR-SP D0 is not unheard of.
Keyword: Security Fixes :) that's what I was commenting on. And you need to always know what you're doing when over clocking. With more power comes more responsibility.

I'd rather have more power and more responsibility, than not. But to each their own!
 

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I'd rather have more power and more responsibility, than not. But to each their own!
you forgot OC memory needs more TDP stolen from the cores, that's no problem only with 'X' SKUs.
you get responsibility only by a windows tweak (idle promote/demote threshold)