ES Xeon Discussion

[pppcx]

I would love to hear what they actually send. On the same page in the technical details they list

CPU Socket Type	LGA 4189
CPU Type	Intel Xeon

Chipsets

North Bridge	Intel C252

Memory

DDR4 Standard	DDR4 3200

But on the photo it is clearly LGA 4677 board. Just wonder which board it is.

Yeah, I'm also curious as to which motherboard newegg will actually ship.

 

[PaperBad]

if you can, check if a D0 or early E0(Q03J,Q08S) gives at least a POST code, if not the ES is helt in reset by Intel ME (PCH FIrmware)
this is not the end but the Tool required to tweak the ME(mfit.exe & co.) is not available so far.
on my X13SRA-TF the Q08S doesn't need a BIOS modd, needs only Intel ME which allows ES to run.
the BIOS 5860_1.1.11 doesn't include D0 cpuid806F3 microcode but E0 cpuid806F4,
and the known fits all E steppings container cpuid806F8(+806F7,+806F6,+806F5,+806F4)

I thought Q03J and Q08S were LGA 4189 whereas the Precision 5860 is on LGA 4677.

 

[RolloZ170]

I thought Q03J and Q08S were LGA 4189 whereas the Precision 5860 is on LGA 4677.

Q03J = 60 core, Q08S = 48 core.

 

[Cythisia]

yes on single cores but not all same time.
all cores limit is fused 2.8Ghz.
you can try set PL1 Time window to max. seconds (should be in socket RAPL config.)

Hey Rollo,

Do you know which BIOS setting re-enables/disables turbo? QYFR hits all core 2800, but won't hit 3700 single core turbo after PL1 adjustments. But I believe I may have hit another performance setting somewhere.

 

[beydemirufuk]

Hi, I have installed the ES Xeon8480+ processor on the Supermicro X13DAI-T motherboard but the power cuts out after a certain time. The processor heats up after a few attempts. There is no screen at all. How can I solve this problem. Thank you.

 

[RolloZ170]

Do you know which BIOS setting re-enables/disables turbo? QYFR hits all core 2800, but won't hit 3700 single core turbo after PL1 adjustments

PL1 don't give you 3700 all core, but the processor can draw package power more than TDP longer time.
disable 28 cores to see 3700 all cores.

 

[RolloZ170]

Hi, I have installed the ES Xeon8480+ processor on the Supermicro X13DAI-T motherboard but the power cuts out after a certain time. The processor heats up after a few attempts. There is no screen at all. How can I solve this problem. Thank you.

QYFS/QYFR ?
supermicro doesn't support stepping D0 and early E0 ES.
on some X13 boards there is a a debug/test BIOS 1.0 with full of bugs, you don't want.
all supermicro BIOS (except the WS parts) are RootOfTrust protected = can't be modified.

 

[Cythisia]

PL1 don't give you 3700 all core, but the processor can draw package power more than TDP longer time.
disable 28 cores to see 3700 all cores.

Quite funny that 4th gen scalable pull 500+ watts at the wall on idle, versus Broadwell-E and 1st Gen Platinum's...
Good info for that though! Should test if works in dual socket config? 48 cores boosting to 3700 all core would be quite amazing in some task...

Gigabyte MS73 bios do not cover intel's speedstep well either... and finding actual material outside of marketing jargon is difficult.

Intel SSP-CP - Enabled
Intel SSP-PP - Enabled
Intel SSP-BC - Enabled
Intel SSP Dynamic - Enabled

Bios also do not really depict what these do either... Dynamic wording states it puts cores to sleep entirely, but cores never rest for more than half a second, might be Windows scheduling issues as set to OS Control and Native OOB?

 

[RolloZ170]

Quite funny that 4th gen scalable pull 500+ watts at the wall on idle

only if you adjust them to stay at 3ghz and more without doing anything useful...imho thats not called IDLE.
IDLE is all cores and Mesh/LLC @800mhz ? package power is around 77 Watts for a 48core

might be Windows scheduling issues as set to OS Control and Native OOB?

Windows power plan options seems not ready for SPR/EMR.

 

[Cythisia]

only if you adjust them to stay at 3ghz and more without doing anything useful...imho thats not called IDLE.
IDLE is all cores and Mesh/LLC @800mhz ? package power is around 77 Watts for a 48core

Windows power plan options seems not ready for SPR/EMR.

Not sure what is happening then... With 30 ANTEC P12s, D5 on draw is variable 55-70 watts no HDDs.
Booting with motherboard/unplugged socket draw 95-120 from wall while inside remote IPMI.. average 190 we'll go with.
QYFR/8480s on chipset init wall draw is 800 watts/two sockets and minus, is about 600 watts. with OS pref and set to powersaving and verify with HWInfo 800mhz across board is 450-470 steady, is 260 draw both sockets. 130 per? Sounds about right for 54 core?

At wall BIOS set balance performance pref is anywhere between 450-670 stuck 1.9ghz and R23 pull is 1400 total watts, as high as meter will go before zeroes out. That's 1,200 watts between both sockets of CPU draw? This ES issue? Setting PL1/PL2 max wattage does not change this, doesn't even seem to recognize this.

All this is from wall, and HWINFO report PL1 static is 350, PL2 static is 420... package power doesn't report correctly, states max 1 watt...

Spoiler: Pics

added hwinfo to pic

 

[RolloZ170]

That's 1,200 watts between both sockets of CPU draw? This ES issue?

i don't know what you doing.
Q08S ES stepping E0 77 watts.(HWinfo64)

package power doesn't report correctly, states max 1 watt...

houston....

 

[pppcx]

I would love to hear what they actually send. On the same page in the technical details they list

CPU Socket Type	LGA 4189
CPU Type	Intel Xeon

Chipsets

North Bridge	Intel C252

Memory

DDR4 Standard	DDR4 3200

But on the photo it is clearly LGA 4677 board. Just wonder which board it is.

Confirmed: newegg shipped a Tyan S5652, c741 motherboard

 

[oddssodds]

Hello everyone. Pardon, I'm sure that I am repeating. I have a Dell Precision 7820 x2 and I want to upgrade the processors.

I am looking at these QS units and wondering if anyone can pick out potential problems with this option.

thanks
QS processor

 

[rozentas]

Considering the motherboard price per socket, ES cpu price, etc., I eventually gave up on buying the dell 5860 motherboard and decided to install 2x d0 ES(qyfs) on the gigabyte ms73-hb1 motherboard instead.


Now I need some information on the cooling solution and overclocking method required for it.

1. For example, I know that the asus c621 motherboard supported Xeon scalable processor overclocking.
Does gigabyte support a similar function?

2. Since there is no information on mutual interference when installing a tower air cooler, I would like to ask those who have experience with the ms73-hb1 motherboard what kind of cooling solution they installed.
If there is no tower cooler that satisfies both low noise and no spatial interference, I plan to install a 420mm aio that supports the lga 4677 socket.

 

[sam55todd]

...2. Since there is no information on mutual interference when installing a tower air cooler...

This might not give a direct answer but as an idea - in my experience majority of potential interference issues are solved by using regular airflow redirectors for instance made of common baking paper rolls (it's non-sick, non-conductive {cellulose}, high-temp resistant and quite cheap, therefore you can experiment with shape and scissors without much worry of running out this disposable material), although it doesn't keep shape very well (there are trays for baking made of more solid material) but at least is a feasible solution for prototypes.. To precautionary protect all critical areas you can add those flow control channels on both sides - from tower intake to cooler and then from CPU cooler all the way to exhaust (as long as those channels don't obstruct other airflows much, e.g. GPU, PCH/chipset, RAM, etc.). It's much cheaper than trying to amateurishly replicate safe server-grade airflow control solutions from HP/Dell using say plastic 3D-printing (which can also get toxic on higher temps {e.g. emitting chloride compounds} if wrong materials are used).

 

[RolloZ170]

1. For example, I know that the asus c621 motherboard supported Xeon scalable processor overclocking.
Does gigabyte support a similar function?

asus c621e SAGE supports not real overclocking because Xeon scalables are not unlocked.
be glad that SPR D0 ES is supported, don't expect any OC support from C741 motherboards.

 

[DHamov]

2. Since there is no information on mutual interference when installing a tower air cooler, I would like to ask those who have experience with the ms73-hb1 motherboard what kind of cooling solution they installed. If there is no tower cooler that satisfies both low noise and no spatial interference, I plan to install a 420mm aio that supports the lga 4677 socket.

I forgot who but there are users that installed 2 Noctua NH-U12S DX-4677 on MS73.
It is very tight (difficult to attach the fan clamps) but it fits, just mind the airflow cooling direction, if it is suitable for the case.

 

[Kizune]

The only overclocking C621e SAGE supports is BCLK - and Scalable 1/2 generation processors are not too good at it - the max I’ve got for relatively stable o/c (means cinebench completes) was +4.2%. Does not worth it.

 

[Cythisia]

Considering the motherboard price per socket, ES cpu price, etc., I eventually gave up on buying the dell 5860 motherboard and decided to install 2x d0 ES(qyfs) on the gigabyte ms73-hb1 motherboard instead.


Now I need some information on the cooling solution and overclocking method required for it.

1. For example, I know that the asus c621 motherboard supported Xeon scalable processor overclocking.
Does gigabyte support a similar function?

2. Since there is no information on mutual interference when installing a tower air cooler, I would like to ask those who have experience with the ms73-hb1 motherboard what kind of cooling solution they installed.
If there is no tower cooler that satisfies both low noise and no spatial interference, I plan to install a 420mm aio that supports the lga 4677 socket.

Something like this? First picture is without 50mm fan tunnel, 2nd picture is. VRMs on MS73 HB0 with dual 8480+ QYFR get to 130c plus, now never over 80c full load at 3200 all core with PP level 4.









Also. Anyone luck with R23 scores on 8480+ ES? Capping 105,000... Normal? W9-3495 gets 80,000-90,000 single processor 56/112 versus 8480+ 112/224? Single socket 8480+ ES gets 65K... But? Even with 1.8ghz less all core boost? Or R23 limitation with more than one socket?

 

[arabus]

Something like this? First picture is without 50mm fan tunnel, 2nd picture is. VRMs on MS73 HB0 with dual 8480+ QYFR get to 130c plus, now never over 80c full load at 3200 all core with PP level 4.

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Also. Anyone luck with R23 scores on 8480+ ES? Capping 105,000... Normal? W9-3495 gets 80,000-90,000 single processor 56/112 versus 8480+ 112/224? Single socket 8480+ ES gets 65K... But? Even with 1.8ghz less all core boost? Or R23 limitation with more than one socket?

Single socket 8480+ ES