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DHamov

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I had both QYFS (D0) and Q03J (E0) on Asus W790 Sage. These cpu's are not the same but quite similar. 56Cores max freq 3.7GHz vs 60 Cores max freq 3.5GHz.

From my perspective and experience the difference was not very large, but i slightly prefer the Q03J. Overall the benchmark scores are pretty similar.
Also, Idle power use (at the wall) was quite similar, less than 10% difference with the same settings in linux and bios. 195W for the QYFS D0 system vs 180W for exactly the same system with Q03J E0. System Asus w790E SAGE+2x3090 + 8x32GB mem.
Later i heard that on windows power use could have been tweaked.

I think the most notable difference was that Q03J E0 had similar effective memory bandwidth with 4800MT memory settings compared to QYFS with 6000MT Memory settings.
Which i still do not really understand.
With Q03JI never managed to get the overclock of my Micron 5600MT server memory working, not even at "stock 5600MT". But any way at 4800MT it was just as fast or even a bit faster than QYFS that could overclock the exact same memory to 6000MT or 6200MT.

For every day work i used both for about a month, i preferred the Q03J.
For my personal use cases under long susstained all core loads, (longer than PL times) Say 2 hours 100% load, Q03J was still was about 8-10% faster than the QYFS.

If you already have an QYFS i personally think the upgrade to Q03J is not really worth it.
But If you buy a new system, I would pick Q03J. But it also depends on the price difference.

Comparing the Q03J on w790 Sage to Q0KG on c741 Asrock Rack SPC741D16X-2T with a single cpu and same memory. The Q03J also wins easily, and was actually cheaper.
With Q0KG+ Asrock SPC741 the memory bandwidth is much lower, for reasons unknown to me.
 

DHamov

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User MillionMiles made this compatibility table at the other thread.

Now my question is what about Q0KS with X13DAI?
As far as i know nothing is confirmed compatible yet on X13DAI here on the forum, but what are your guesses? Are they similar enough? The last bios versions on the SM website are different.
No Combination offers with X13DAI and ES on ebay (currently), eventhough same sellers do sell other combinations and ES. Bad signs? No response from ebay sellers yet.
 
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Now my question is what about Q0KS with X13DAI?
so far, all evidence suggests that Q0K* works on all C741 boards, Including X13DEI, but no information about X13DAI.
No Combination offers with X13DAI and ES on ebay (currently), eventhough same sellers do sell other combinations and ES. Bad signs?
It's too expensive. And these combinations aren't always correct, remember X13SEI+Q03J?
but what are your guesses
There was never X13DAI in the table.
 
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DHamov

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so far, all evidence suggests that Q0K* works on all C741 boards, Including X13DEI, but no information about X13DAI.

It's too expensive. And these combinations aren't always correct, remember X13SEI+Q03J?

There was never X13DAI in the table.
I was still assuming that X13SEI+Q03J works, eventhough i dont know with what bios.
I know there was no X13DAI in the table. I was not critizising the table. In searches at this and other forums did not come across ES + X13DAI experiences. So that is why i was asking for educated or experenced guesses. I also wrote some of the sellers, maybe they tried, lets see.
 
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X13DAI is predominantly the same as X13DEI (plus audio and some other features),
same chipset (just as it's younger single-CPU bro like X13SEI),
therefore as long as CPU works on official bios (despite not being listed there by SM)
with X13DEI/X13SEI - I would assume it should be compatible with X13DAI too.
But IMV Q1** ES/QS versions would probably be more desirable (instead of Q0**).
Getting early v1 BIOS for X13DAI could be quite a challenge.
 
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X13DAI is predominantly the same as X13DEI (plus audio and some other features),
while the BIOS may nearly the same, it grants not same compatibility because the CSE SPS is the instance which allows ES or not.
means not SPS 6.0.4.25 is blocking ES in any case, the BIOS engineer configures that with a click (spsMFit.exe)
 
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Does anyone have any help or suggestions with a microsoft project olympus gen2 motherboar? I believe I have running, however I can not seem to get a video display from it. I have it going so far with a single xeon silver 4110 and a 8gb stick of ddr4 2400 desktop ram. Ive been keeping track of the post code LED's and such as there seems to be NO documentation for this board. I am 99,9% sure its running properly as I see the post leds "complete" and the keyboard I have plugged in responds to capslock and numlock. even ctrl-alt-del resets the system. Just no display out. Ive tried all the pciex16 with gt730, gt320, x1650, 8600gts, 8800gts and another older geforce card. Any help is super appreciated! thanky
 

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New Gigabyte mainboards lga 4710 came online. so the hunt for new ES continues.
Unfortunately the socket 4710 has the same type number as some previous intel cpu, and the "series" 6700 also which is not so nice for efficient searching.
 
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Hey friend, excuse me, and excuse my English please, I'm French, I would like to know if you could help find, I've found XEON 8352 ES Qv2f or 8358 ES QV8M on ebay, so I have some questions, if you can answer to them when you have some time,

are they good, or bad ES cpu, I've seen that in 2021 you tried to explain wich versions were good or not. But I don't understood?

Do you know, if they would work on an asrock C621A WS, it's an lga 4189 so it's the good socket and chipset, but does the MB have the right microcode?

Do you know if the are unlocked or not, by the way, I read that you could on some cpu's you tried, get 3.6ghz by deactivating some cores, I can do this instead, if the are not unlocked
 
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Hey friend, excuse me, and excuse my English please, I'm French, I would like to know if you could help find, I've found XEON 8352 ES Qv2f or 8358 ES QV8M on ebay, so I have some questions, if you can answer to them when you have some time,

are they good, or bad ES cpu, I've seen that in 2021 you tried to explain wich versions were good or not. But I don't understood?

Do you know, if they would work on an asrock C621A WS, it's an lga 4189 so it's the good socket and chipset, but does the MB have the right microcode?

Do you know if the are unlocked or not, by the way, I read that you could on some cpu's you tried, get 3.6ghz by deactivating some cores, I can do this instead, if the are not unlocked
After some research, I found that, with my mobo, I need a step 6 ES cpu, but I don't know how to know which are step 6, I found that qwat and qwap are one's
 

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Do you know, if they would work on an asrock C621A WS, it's an lga 4189 so it's the good socket and chipset, but does the MB have the right microcode?
the microcode is there in any case, that is not the problem.
we found ASRock runs step 4/5 ES with BIOS 1.20
but not tested with the WS one.
8352 ES Qv2f step 5 ES1
8358 ES QV8M step 5 ES2

After some research, I found that, with my mobo, I need a step 6 ES cpu, but I don't know how to know which are step 6, I found that qwat and qwap are one's
8352 ES Qv2f step 5 ES1
8358 ES QV8M step 5 ES2

QWAQ,QWAT,QWAP,QWAS,QWAN,QWAC,QWAE,QWAU = step 6
 
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the microcode is there in any case, that is not the problem.
we found ASRock runs step 4/5 ES with BIOS 1.20
but not tested with the WS one.
8352 ES Qv2f step 5 ES1
8358 ES QV8M step 5 ES2


8352 ES Qv2f step 5 ES1
8358 ES QV8M step 5 ES2

QWAQ,QWAT,QWAP,QWAS,QWAC = step 6
OK, so you are telling me that a step 5 would work on the asrock mobo? So all QV would work?
 

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Cause, all ebay seller I asked told me that QV, would not work on the mobo, but only step 6 would work
 

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By the way I found a QWAN for 180€ /192 USD, but if I can get an Qv8m instead, for 120€, the 2 are sold at 2.2ghz so I should get same performance, but for 60€ less
 

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By the way I found a QWAN for 180€ /192 USD, but if I can get an Qv8m instead, for 120€, the 2 are sold at 2.2ghz so I should get same performance, but for 60€ less
120-180, you should choose Step6 QWAN. except for compatibility differences, QVM8 has higher voltage and power and more bugs. I recommend avoid all B0/C0.
 
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OK, so you are telling me that a step 5 would work on the asrock mobo? So all QV would work?
only first BIOS, know on SPC621 (621A WS not tested)
Cause, all ebay seller I asked told me that QV, would not work on the mobo, but only step 6 would work
correct with latest actual BIOS.
By the way I found a QWAN for 180€ /192 USD
thats your favorite.