ES Xeon Discussion

[sam55todd]

Although QYFQ cpus for cheap seem like a more interesting idea

It would require a different chipset/MB, plus D0 stepping materially limits choices of brands.

 

[RolloZ170]

It would require a different chipset/MB, plus D0 stepping materially limits choices of brands.

QYFP,QYFQ D0 is working fine on ASUS WS W790 Ace(BIOS 0403) and ASUS Pro WS W790E-Sage SE(BIOS 0215)

 

[Faxxxmachine]

QYFQ D0 is working fine on ASUS WS W790 Ace and SAGE.

Hi RolloZ170, I registered an account here just so I could ask you a question HAHAHA.. I see that QYFQ D0 is working on Asus W790E Sage, is this also the case for QYFU? And is QYFU superior to QYFQ since it can run at higher clockspeeds?

 

[RolloZ170]

I see that QYFQ D0 is working on Asus W790E Sage, is this also the case for QYFU? And is QYFU superior to QYFQ since it can run at higher clockspeeds?

i see no reason why QYFU should not working.
i have WS W790 Ace and QYFQ,QYFP,QY0C and QY06 runs fine with BIOS 0403
(still issues with BIOS 0506/0705 win10/11 - circle dots freeze, except with QYF )
BIOS tweak solved that issue.

And is QYFU superior to QYFQ since it can run at higher clockspeeds?

yes but note QYFU is single socket only(in case you want to sell it in the future)
QYFU base 1.8Ghz turbo 3.5 Ghz, all core nonAVX 2,9 Ghz , 300W
QYFQbase 1.5Ghz turbo 3.3 Ghz, all core nonAVX 2,5 Ghz , 270W

 

[MillionMiles]

on LGA4189 platform recently ASRock Rack and Gigabyte removed non PRD stepping ES support.
but there are BIOS you can go back to or someone can mod. BIOS.
note: supermicro's BIOS is signed and protected by RootOfTrust. no way for modding.

There are still L0/C0 step-microcode displays (tables) in the newly released bios relNote PDF files for md72 and mu72, but do they no longer support these CPUs?

 

[RolloZ170]

There are still L0/C0 step-microcode displays (tables) in the newly released bios relNote PDF files for md72 and mu72, but do they no longer support these CPUs?

even these MCUs are still available in the supermicro BIOSs. but nor work,
imho intel ME/CSE/SPS is blocking before any x86 code is executed.
on gigabyte you may able to update BIOS but not ME/SPS.

 

[Faxxxmachine]

i see no reason why QYFU should not working.
i have WS W790 Ace and QYFQ,QYFP,QY0C and QY06 runs fine.

yes but note QYFU is single socket only(in case you want to sell it in the future)
QYFU base 1.8Ghz turbo 3.5 Ghz, all core nonAVX 2,9 Ghz , 300W
QYFQbase 1.5Ghz turbo 3.3 Ghz, all core nonAVX 2,5 Ghz , 270W

Thank you for the response, really appreciate the info! Just a couple more questions, do you happen to know if the supermicro X13SWA-TF motherboard can run these CPUs too?
And I'd imagine if the Asus W790 Ace can take QYFQ,QYFP,QY0C and QY06, then something like QYFR and QYFX should also theoretically run, right?

 

[zac1]

Hello, did a bit of searching and unable to find any leads so far.

8273CL in X11DPI-NT boot loops with BIOS 3.8a. Is there any chance of making this work?

 

[RolloZ170]

8273CL in X11DPI-NT boot loops with BIOS 3.8a. Is there any chance of making this work?

check with BIOS 3.0a (or b)
on a X11SPA the 8273CL works only with 3.0b, later BIOS stop at code 79.

 

[RolloZ170]

And I'd imagine if the Asus W790 Ace can take QYFQ,QYFP,QY0C and QY06, then something like QYFR and QYFX should also theoretically run, right?

yes, but not tested.

Just a couple more questions, do you happen to know if the supermicro X13SWA-TF motherboard can run these CPUs too?

NO, supermicro removed PRD stepping microcode D0 cpuid806f3 (same Tyan and ASRockRack)
if you want to run non PRD stepping ES, stay away from supermicro C741.
X13SRA / X13SWA runs not Root of Trust(RoT) firmware, you can add the microcode, but I'm afraid it still doesn't work then.
update: got D0/E0 working on X13SRA with old ME.

 

[Faxxxmachine]

yes, but not tested.

NO, supermicro removed PRD stepping microcode D0 cpuid806f3 (same Tyan and ASRockRack)
if you want to run non PRD stepping ES, stay away from supermicro.
X13SWA runs not Root of Trust(RoT) firmware, maybe you can add the microcode, but I'm afraid it still doesn't work then.

Thank you for the reply! You have been extremely helpful. I’ll report back here once I finalise my build and get it running

 

[Mushan]

you should expect drop of memory channels over time (silicon bug of ICX ES1)

You are right, they didm't work.

Also, although they work with Gb MD72-HBX, that MB got some issue with pcie slot (3 slots not work with pcie riser, need retimer card)

I'm currenly plan to moving to ES2 CPU (qwaq,qwas), I'm woundering if these work fine with SM X12DAI or X12DPG with 1.4b bios?

Thanks in advance.

Got this from X12DAI 1.5 BIOS:

 

[RolloZ170]

I'm currenly plan to moving to ES2 CPU (qwaq,qwas), I'm woundering if these work fine with SM X12DAI or X12DPG with 1.4b bios?

qwaq,qwas is production stepping D0 cpuid606A6, i had QWAS,QWAQ working with BIOS 1.4a(latest that time) on X12SPM-LN4F

 

[dracocephalum]

For anyone who is still interested in Xeon 8273CL - here is my full analysis on the CPU.

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/intel-xeon-platinum-8273cl-complete-info-guide.41479/

Basically:
- It can't work in 4-way / 8-way due to being locked down to 2-way physically inside the CPU
- It needs a special version of microcode, and once that presents, any Supermicro X11 motherboard should be able to use it (M/B still must support 165W TDP)

 

[Kizune]

Ok, i finally got myself an Asus Pro WS W790-ACE and tried all my available processors on it. Bottom line: the E3 stepping processors do not work with any of the available BIOS. Tested processors:

Q16Z Xeon Platinum 8461V stepping E3 - stops at code 00
Q0MN Xeon Platinum 8468 stepping E3 - stops at code 00
QY36 Xeon Platinum 8480+ stepping C2 - stops at code 04

Looks like only D stepping processors working with this motherboard. Will have to return Asus - which is quite sad, the deal was good and the motherboard is in an new open box condition. And i really like the layout and features. Such a bummer Not sure i want to spend money buying D0 version of processor - will probably just stick with the tested and tried Supermicro board for now.

 

[bayleyw]

Ok, i finally got myself an Asus Pro WS W790-ACE and tried all my available processors on it. Bottom line: the E3 stepping processors do not work with any of the available BIOS. Tested processors:

Q16Z Xeon Platinum 8461V stepping E3 - stops at code 00
Q0MN Xeon Platinum 8468 stepping E3 - stops at code 00
QY36 Xeon Platinum 8480+ stepping C2 - stops at code 04

Looks like only D stepping processors working with this motherboard. Will have to return Asus - which is quite sad, the deal was good and the motherboard is in an new open box condition. And i really like the layout and features. Such a bummer Not sure i want to spend money buying D0 version of processor - will probably just stick with the tested and tried Supermicro board for now.

That's fascinating, it makes sense QY36 doesn't run (C2 SPR doesn't boot on anything) but I guess the ME is going and blocking the production stepping parts because it sees they are not Xeon-W?

 

[Kizune]

That's fascinating, it makes sense QY36 doesn't run (C2 SPR doesn't boot on anything) but I guess the ME is going and blocking the production stepping parts because it sees they are not Xeon-W?

Looks like it. Not sure it can be circumvented.

 

[RolloZ170]

That's fascinating, it makes sense QY36 doesn't run (C2 SPR doesn't boot on anything)

i got some more POST codes with injected C-stepping microccode in the BIOS. the ref.codes may too actual to init.the old stepping thought.

but I guess the ME is going and blocking the production stepping parts because it sees they are not Xeon-W?

normaly not the task of ME. and same cpuid and microcode.
i noticed the D-Stepping run with DMI4x8 on my W790 Ace. maybe E steppings SPR-SP can't.
btw: D0 cpuid806f3 is PRD stepping

 

[JosefHrib]

Ok, i finally got myself an Asus Pro WS W790-ACE and tried all my available processors on it. Bottom line: the E3 stepping processors do not work with any of the available BIOS. Tested processors:

Q16Z Xeon Platinum 8461V stepping E3 - stops at code 00
Q0MN Xeon Platinum 8468 stepping E3 - stops at code 00
QY36 Xeon Platinum 8480+ stepping C2 - stops at code 04

Looks like only D stepping processors working with this motherboard. Will have to return Asus - which is quite sad, the deal was good and the motherboard is in an new open box condition. And i really like the layout and features. Such a bummer Not sure i want to spend money buying D0 version of processor - will probably just stick with the tested and tried Supermicro board for now.

I tested second ES2 D0, with my board W790 SAGE, both cpu's works without any problems (QYFQ,QYFS).
From Rollo I received your Q16Z. I ordered a second cooler for my second board C741 MS33-AR0. I will test it, when the cooler arrives.

 

[kromberg]

Would Intel Xeon Platinum 8280 ES QQ87 with steppings of B1 be a good CPU or should I pass on it? Mainly wondering if the stepping is good.