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RolloZ170

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Early E0 also does not work on the X13SEi, perhaps they only work on W790/C741 motherboards that support D0?
correct. but they should work on X13SEI BIOS 1.0 with D0 support(not recommended, buggy BIOS)
Do you know if they can work on X13SRA (w790 without D0 support)?
not yet. have a X13SRA and a BIOS to run D0, but unfortunaly not a early E0 to test.
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only the E steppings. E0,E2,E3,E4,E5
early E0 (like Q03J) can work with luck like on ASUS W790 boards, other later E0 i.e. Q0KL are blocked from working.
there are some SPR-WS QS arround at ebay/taobao, i.e. i have a 12 core W5-3425 QS Q19X stepping E3.
So q19x may work on bios 1.1.11 of dell t5860 motherboard?
 

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Officially the 8470 E0 Q0KG has multiplier 38, and i can see it in cpuz. but i never saw any core go above 3000MHz. It is very strange, even if i do some single thread benchmark.
In HWinfo IA Limit Reasons are all the time on Yes.
The obvious, Turbo Boost is already enabled in the Bios.
Any ideas which settings are related?
 
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Perhaps this was already answered previously but what's expected outcome of putting dual 385W CPU into LGA4677 SuperMicro dual-socket MB designed for 350W CPU (assuming I will dial-down frequency/cores via BIOS on a first boot).
For instance there are plenty of Xeons having model number 84XXC ( "c" at the end meaning "Custom" or "Customer" designed for large providers like ECS/AWS/GCP/Alibaba clouds)
Or it is rather a lottery style right now (won't know for sure without trying) ?
Thank you.
 
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Officially the 8470 E0 Q0KG has multiplier 38, and i can see it in cpuz. but i never saw any core go above 3000MHz. It is very strange, even if i do some single thread benchmark.
In HWinfo IA Limit Reasons are all the time on Yes.
The obvious, Turbo Boost is already enabled in the Bios.
Any ideas which settings are related?
CMOS reset. BIOS to default and check again.
Q0KG TDP = 350W
edit: maybe windows loaded a too new MCU into the CPU, sp HWinfo screenshot(summary) will be helpfull
 

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X13SEI should be compatible with E0 (and all other E steppings), but only up to BIOS v 2.1, which can be downloaded here:
We need to look at these E0 cpus separately

Early E0: Q03J,Q03Y,Q08V...... (Q08*,Q03*)
Late E0: Q0KL,Q0KM,Q0KG...... (Q0K*)

Early E0 does not work on X13SEI/X13DEI unless use debug 1.0 BIOS.

Late E0 should work with any BIOS version and has been tested with 1.1 and 2.1.

IIRC, BIOS downgrade on Supermicro boards wasn't straightforward, but possible...
BMC WebGUI can upgrade the BIOS to 2.1 or downgrade to 1.1, never blocked official BIOS. But downgrading to unofficial debug BIOS will be blocked.
 
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What is your source?
I only found this post, which was the foundation for my claim: https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...phire-rapids-sp-es-works-it.41306/post-419746
indeed, at the time i wrote this i never realised there where differences in behave of E0 stepping processors.
Q0K* E0 work on ASRockRack C741 board, but Q03J E0 not.
but Q03J E0 work on ASUS W790, should not because its SPR-SP.
we know stepping D0 ES are working on ASUS W790 board, so something in late D0 and early E0 is same.
 
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IIRC, BIOS downgrade on Supermicro boards wasn't straightforward, but possible...
depends on the type of FW.
Root of Trust (RoT) only accepts BIOS signed with production cert/key. Test/Debug BIOS ( TESsd, STDsd) is not accepted and if flashed by SPI programmer restored by RoT system before POST.

not Root of Trust X1*SRA/X1*SWA BIOS can be modded as you want, some must be flashed with clamp and SPI programmer.
 

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I don't understand why you so interested in 60 cores CPU, Q0KM/Q0KL is also strong and cheaper, 100% work.
Well i get your point but 8490H E0 (official price 20k) will maybe have better reselling value than 8470 (official price 10k or so). And maybe if you are lucky some of the accelerators and fancy stuff is working. 60 cores 15% better than 52 cores. 3.5GHz 9% worse than 3.8GHz. That were my thoughts at the time. Price difference on ebay was minimal. For me Q03J negotiation was possible on ebay but for Q0KG not. But yes it is a risk. Higher clocks often more usefull than more cores (speaks for Q0KM). User Civiloid seems very happy with his Q03J. But yes that is on a confirmed board.

Slowly seem to be getting my Q0KG working with full clocks 3.8GHz now with old bios.
Be carefull Q0KL is 8470Q and has lower thermal limits especially for watercooling. Maybe with air-cooling you will hit the limits earlier, and loose some boost.
That was reason why i picked Q0KG instead. Q0KM is interesting, but hard to find in ebay.
 
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