[Update: Seller Complaints Accumulating] HGST Ultrastar He10 - 10TB @ $129.95

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Different Hugo

See
ftp://atxlab.ddns.net/ftp/hdd/hgst/Hugo/7.4.5/

If sg_write_buffer work ok for flashing, just use sg_write_buffer , easy to install on Ubuntu.
It is part of sg utils tools

There is a windows version of sg utils tools.
I usually use Ubuntu to flash the firmware.
Thanks. My bad.

I've used sg_utils for Windows and haven't had any issues. I also have a Linux Mint Cinnamon available so I should be covered.

And btw, I recently needed to use ipmitool to set fan speeds in a Quanta server and gave up trying to get it to work in Windows. After many hours I trying ran across remarks like "Yea, you can get it work but it will never work right". I switched over to Linux and it was stupid easy to install and works flawlessly.
 
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Why those and not the ones in the original post for $100 each? Could the $100 4kn ones be reformatted to 512b sector size?
Just to match my other part # exactly... and they have BO, so it's not that much more.

But, realistically they probably are fine to mix and match :D

Just curious on hours... they're going in to expand my RZ3, but all my other drives were NEW so adding a drive with 30k hours is not something I'd like to really do if I can avoid it :D
 
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I crossed my finger this morning, upgraded firmware of 12 HGST drives

I had to make a small change , increase buffer to 4K , otherwise, it would error out with no enough buffer

To check device name , firwmare version
sdparm /dev/sg{0..11} | grep HGST

sg_write_buffer -vv -b 4k -m 5 --in LHGNA9G0.bin /dev/sg0

wait 1 to 2 min for each drive

sdparm /dev/sg{0..11} | grep HGST
/dev/sg0: HGST HUH721010AL4200 A9G0
 

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I crossed my finger this morning, upgraded firmware of 12 HGST drives

I had to make a small change , increase buffer to 4K , otherwise, it would error out with no enough buffer

To check device name , firwmare version
sdparm /dev/sg{0..11} | grep HGST

sg_write_buffer -vv -b 4k -m 5 --in LHGNA9G0.bin /dev/sg0

wait 1 to 2 min for each drive

sdparm /dev/sg{0..11} | grep HGST
/dev/sg0: HGST HUH721010AL4200 A9G0
Did you get any improvement after upgarding? Why upgrade if no issues?
genuine curious
 
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The drives are already in use.
No, I did not tested performance before or after upgrade firmware.

Reason:
Want to flash to HGST firmware from Cisco firmware now.
I do'nt want to think about drives firmware upgrade few years down,
especially , trusted folks here in the forum already proved the HGST firmware are working.
 
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Anyone know what kind of hours to expect from these HUH721010AL5200 (0F27352) HGST 10TB SAS3 12Gb/s 7K2 LFF - 100% Health - 512e HDD | eBay

thinking of adding some more when i rebuild my pools
Mechanically it's the same drive as all SAS or SATA 7200rpm 10TB Helium filled models (HUH721010****). Your best source for reliability would be the Backblaze Hard Drive Stats

The second H in HUH = Helium, so avoid drives starting with HUS, which are conventional air.

These drives are statistically the most reliable helium filled 8TB+ that exists in the world. So basically you just buy them at 15€ / TB or less, run a SMART long selftest on them, if they pass, you're good to go, if not, you return them. Nothing more to it than that.

Also remember to check with smartctl that the helium level is 100%:
Code:
smartctl -a /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_2YK9XX7D | grep Helium

22 Helium_Level            0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       100


3.5-INCH HELIUM PLATFORM DATA CENTER HARD DRIVES Datasheet to decode the specs from the model id:

2022-04-14 14.12.49 documents.westerndigital.com a46df460c37e.png

And finally (sorry) to answer your question, they are MTBF 2.5M hours (see specsheet)

EDIT: If they don't spin up when you receive them, they are probably not faulty. It's likely the P3 pin issue. To check see the SE/ISE Part# and see if your drive has the Power Disable Feature:

https://documents.westerndigital.co...h-brief-western-digital-power-disable-pin.pdf

If you don't check that PDF and return a drive that has the Power Disable Feature, WD officially considers you a Stupid Customer.
 
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at $10/TB, it's not a bad price, given the bigger capacity. It's too bad that they have the 4k format so they might not work with the older controllers
 
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Is there a way to flash the firmware on these drives when they are behind a raid controller (LSI 9266 in my case), or do I need to put them on an HBA to flash them and put them back on the raid controller?
 
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at $10/TB, it's not a bad price, given the bigger capacity. It's too bad that they have the 4k format so they might not work with the older controllers
True. Physically they are all 4k (4kn = 4k native) 512e = 512 emulated. You can reformat 512e to be 4kn, but not the other way around. (i think, don't quote me on this)
 
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Is there a way to flash the firmware on these drives when they are behind a raid controller (LSI 9266 in my case), or do I need to put them on an HBA to flash them and put them back on the raid controller?
I believe you could flash them if your controller is in IT mode (passthrough to host)
 
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Just to answer my own previous question, hugo will flash the drives even if they are part of an array in RAID mode on the 9266 in my case. They will drop off the array while they're being updated, so best not to have the filesystem mounted.
 
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Just to answer my own previous question, hugo will flash the drives even if they are part of an array in RAID mode on the 9266 in my case. They will drop off the array while they're being updated, so best not to have the filesystem mounted.
HEHE. Flashing the firmware of your HDD with the filesystem mounted is some serious Alpha OG attitude :)
 
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at $10/TB, it's not a bad price, given the bigger capacity. It's too bad that they have the 4k format so they might not work with the older controllers
Here is a (incomplete) template ebay search for every model from 8TB to 12TB. to leave out the 4kn versions, edit the two characters before the last two characters, ie remove 42 or n6 and replace with 52 and e6 :

repeat for SAS/SATA as per the screencap above

(huh721212ale600, huh721008ale600, huh721010ale600, huh721212ale604, huh721010ale604, huh721008ale604, huh721212aln600, huh721010aln600, huh721008aln600, huh721212ale604, huh721010aln604, huh721008aln604)

edit the search to the specs you're looking for, 4k/512, SAS, SATA, size, save the ebay search and activate email alerts on ebay, then sit back and watch until an offer hits

edit: the search lists has some errors in the size and generation code i think, but it's a start
edit2: You need to combine the model number codes from the he8, dc510, dc520 etc etc pdf's to create your ebay search:

https://documents.westerndigital.co...astar-sas-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-he8.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.co...c500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc510.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.co...c500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc520.pdf
 
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Also remember to check with smartctl that the helium level is 100%:
Code:
smartctl -a /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_2YK9XX7D | grep Helium

22 Helium_Level            0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       100
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I thought this thread was about SAS drives ... what's the point of above?
 

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I thought this thread was about SAS drives ... what's the point of above?
all HUH drives are the same, SAS or SATA, there is no mechanical difference at all. No HDD manufacturer makes mechanically different SAS/SCSI drives anymore in the world today.

You should check the helium level on your HUH* SAS drives just like above

Again, there is no difference between the HGST SAS or SATA drives except for the controller board, which is removable by a few screws (that includes the connector). As i've explained in this thread, it is likely you could convert a SAS drive to a SATA drive by switching the PCB and copy the IC ROM contents over.
 
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