I only flashed mine because I had drives with different firmware versions and I wanted them to all be uniform. So I figured i'd just flash to the latest so I wouldn't have to think about it again.
[Update: Seller Complaints Accumulating] HGST Ultrastar He10 - 10TB @ $129.95
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Mechanically it's the same drive as all SAS or SATA 7200rpm 10TB Helium filled models (HUH721010****). Your best source for reliability would be the Backblaze Hard Drive Stats
The second H in HUH = Helium, so avoid drives starting with HUS, which are conventional air.
These drives are statistically the most reliable helium filled 8TB+ that exists in the world. So basically you just buy them at 15€ / TB or less, run a SMART long selftest on them, if they pass, you're good to go, if not, you return them. Nothing more to it than that.
Also remember to check with smartctl that the helium level is 100%:
Code:
smartctl -a /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_2YK9XX7D | grep Helium
22 Helium_Level 0x0023 100 100 025 Pre-fail Always - 1003.5-INCH HELIUM PLATFORM DATA CENTER HARD DRIVES Datasheet to decode the specs from the model id:
And finally (sorry) to answer your question, they are MTBF 2.5M hours (see specsheet)
EDIT: If they don't spin up when you receive them, they are probably not faulty. It's likely the P3 pin issue. To check see the SE/ISE Part# and see if your drive has the Power Disable Feature:
https://documents.westerndigital.co...h-brief-western-digital-power-disable-pin.pdf
If you don't check that PDF and return a drive that has the Power Disable Feature, WD officially considers you a Stupid Customer.
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True. Physically they are all 4k (4kn = 4k native) 512e = 512 emulated. You can reformat 512e to be 4kn, but not the other way around. (i think, don't quote me on this)
I believe you could flash them if your controller is in IT mode (passthrough to host)
Just to answer my own previous question, hugo will flash the drives even if they are part of an array in RAID mode on the 9266 in my case. They will drop off the array while they're being updated, so best not to have the filesystem mounted.
HEHE. Flashing the firmware of your HDD with the filesystem mounted is some serious Alpha OG attitude
Here is a (incomplete) template ebay search for every model from 8TB to 12TB. to leave out the 4kn versions, edit the two characters before the last two characters, ie remove 42 or n6 and replace with 52 and e6 :
repeat for SAS/SATA as per the screencap above
(huh721212ale600, huh721008ale600, huh721010ale600, huh721212ale604, huh721010ale604, huh721008ale604, huh721212aln600, huh721010aln600, huh721008aln600, huh721212ale604, huh721010aln604, huh721008aln604)
edit the search to the specs you're looking for, 4k/512, SAS, SATA, size, save the ebay search and activate email alerts on ebay, then sit back and watch until an offer hits
edit: the search lists has some errors in the size and generation code i think, but it's a start
edit2: You need to combine the model number codes from the he8, dc510, dc520 etc etc pdf's to create your ebay search:
https://documents.westerndigital.co...astar-sas-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-he8.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.co...c500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc510.pdf
https://documents.westerndigital.co...c500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc520.pdf
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all HUH drives are the same, SAS or SATA, there is no mechanical difference at all. No HDD manufacturer makes mechanically different SAS/SCSI drives anymore in the world today.
You should check the helium level on your HUH* SAS drives just like above
Again, there is no difference between the HGST SAS or SATA drives except for the controller board, which is removable by a few screws (that includes the connector). As i've explained in this thread, it is likely you could convert a SAS drive to a SATA drive by switching the PCB and copy the IC ROM contents over.
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Pro-tip: just get a genuine LSI SAS9300-8i controller plus cables for both SAS and SATA, and you can focus on $/TB. Teaser image of my genuine controller + 8x SATA connectors, plus the SAS cable i'm waiting for from china:
(plus brand new Solarflare Flareon™ Ultra SFN7022F for 35€ from Polish Ebay dealer as additional teaser)
(plus brand new Solarflare Flareon™ Ultra SFN7022F for 35€ from Polish Ebay dealer as additional teaser)
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i just did the firmware update, smooth and painless, thank you all !!!!
I just did mine with SG3 utilities in windows:
I just use a ubuntu usb and following the steps from @IamSpartacus.
All, Having a bit of an issue maybe some-one can help me..
First, running smartctl -a on any of these drive in Truenas does not give me any output like it does with sata drive. Below is the results.
Second, when I first got the drives I shut down my truenas machine and pulled all of my existing drives so as I could run some general tests on the new drives. With that I ran a smart long test that I decided not to wait for to be done before I shut the system back down. I figured the tests would continue after they booted back up when I started to replace a drive at a time in one of my vdevs. After I got all the drives in and a week later the drives were still reporting the smart test in progress. I started a new long test but it appears it just cued that. So I went about aborting the test. How ever the abort will only stop one and nothing I can do will stop both long tests. Well, just looked at -x and it's showing the scan is progressing so I'll leave it till tomorrow to verrify the latest long test completed.
Ontop of all this, I was trying to figure out how to see the helium levels mentioned in the above test but nothing ever shows with the grep and just a standard -a /dev/daXXX shows just the below code.
smartctl -a /dev/da2/0x5000cca26a9c4c54/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_XXXXXXX | grep Helium
Third question, should I even consider upgrading the firmware on the drives since they are now in an active pool?
First, running smartctl -a on any of these drive in Truenas does not give me any output like it does with sata drive. Below is the results.
Ontop of all this, I was trying to figure out how to see the helium levels mentioned in the above test but nothing ever shows with the grep and just a standard -a /dev/daXXX shows just the below code.
smartctl -a /dev/da2/0x5000cca26a9c4c54/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_XXXXXXX | grep Helium
Code:
:~ # smartctl -a /dev/da2/0x5000cca26a9c4c54/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_XXXXX
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p14 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
/dev/da2/0x5000cca26a9c4c54/scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_XXXXXX: Unable to detect device type
Please specify device type with the -d option.
Use smartctl -h to get a usage summaryThird question, should I even consider upgrading the firmware on the drives since they are now in an active pool?
Code:
# smartctl -a /dev/da2
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p14 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor: HGST
Product: HUH721010AL42C0
Revision: A3Z4
Compliance: SPC-4
User Capacity: 10,000,831,348,736 bytes [10.0 TB]
Logical block size: 4096 bytes
LU is fully provisioned
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Logical Unit id: 0x5000cca26a9c4c54
Serial number: XXXXXXX
Device type: disk
Transport protocol: SAS (SPL-3)
Local Time is: Sat Apr 16 16:39:38 2022 CDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
Temperature Warning: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Health Status: OK
Grown defects during certification <not available>
Total blocks reassigned during format <not available>
Total new blocks reassigned <not available>
Power on minutes since format <not available>
Current Drive Temperature: 32 C
Drive Trip Temperature: 85 C
Accumulated power on time, hours:minutes 28422:17
Manufactured in week 12 of year 2018
Specified cycle count over device lifetime: 50000
Accumulated start-stop cycles: 16
Specified load-unload count over device lifetime: 600000
Accumulated load-unload cycles: 1199
Elements in grown defect list: 0
Vendor (Seagate Cache) information
Blocks sent to initiator = 5534189914947584
Error counter log:
Errors Corrected by Total Correction Gigabytes Total
ECC rereads/ errors algorithm processed uncorrected
fast | delayed rewrites corrected invocations [10^9 bytes] errors
read: 0 3 0 3 3639628 42621.389 0
write: 0 0 0 0 598221 145566.083 0
verify: 0 0 0 0 47055 0.000 0
Non-medium error count: 0
SMART Self-test log
Num Test Status segment LifeTime LBA_first_err [SK ASC ASQ]
Description number (hours)
# 1 Background long Aborted (by user command) - 28417 - [- - -]
# 2 Background long Self test in progress ... - NOW - [- - -]
# 3 Background short Completed - 28250 - [- - -]
Long (extended) Self-test duration: 65535 seconds [1092.2 minutes]
Code:
# smartctl -x /dev/da2
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p14 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor: HGST
Product: HUH721010AL42C0
Revision: A3Z4
Compliance: SPC-4
User Capacity: 10,000,831,348,736 bytes [10.0 TB]
Logical block size: 4096 bytes
LU is fully provisioned
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Logical Unit id: 0x5000cca26a9c4c54
Serial number: XXXXX
Device type: disk
Transport protocol: SAS (SPL-3)
Local Time is: Sat Apr 16 16:48:02 2022 CDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
Temperature Warning: Enabled
Read Cache is: Enabled
Writeback Cache is: Disabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Health Status: OK
Grown defects during certification <not available>
Total blocks reassigned during format <not available>
Total new blocks reassigned <not available>
Power on minutes since format <not available>
Current Drive Temperature: 32 C
Drive Trip Temperature: 85 C
Manufactured in week 12 of year 2018
Specified cycle count over device lifetime: 50000
Accumulated start-stop cycles: 16
Specified load-unload count over device lifetime: 600000
Accumulated load-unload cycles: 1199
Elements in grown defect list: 0
Vendor (Seagate Cache) information
Blocks sent to initiator = 5534258198216704
Error counter log:
Errors Corrected by Total Correction Gigabytes Total
ECC rereads/ errors algorithm processed uncorrected
fast | delayed rewrites corrected invocations [10^9 bytes] errors
read: 0 3 0 3 3639628 42621.389 0
write: 0 0 0 0 598258 145566.152 0
verify: 0 0 0 0 47055 0.000 0
Non-medium error count: 0
SMART Self-test log
Num Test Status segment LifeTime LBA_first_err [SK ASC ASQ]
Description number (hours)
# 1 Background long Aborted (by user command) - 28417 - [- - -]
# 2 Background long Self test in progress ... - NOW - [- - -]
# 3 Background short Completed - 28250 - [- - -]
Long (extended) Self-test duration: 65535 seconds [1092.2 minutes]
Background scan results log
Status: scan is active
Accumulated power on time, hours:minutes 28422:25 [1705345 minutes]
Number of background scans performed: 168, scan progress: 13.13%
Number of background medium scans performed: 168
Protocol Specific port log page for SAS SSP
relative target port id = 1
generation code = 2
number of phys = 1
phy identifier = 0
attached device type: expander device
attached reason: SMP phy control function
reason: unknown
negotiated logical link rate: phy enabled; 12 Gbps
attached initiator port: ssp=0 stp=0 smp=0
attached target port: ssp=0 stp=0 smp=1
SAS address = 0x5000cca26a9c4c55
attached SAS address = 0x500304801eec03bf
attached phy identifier = 0
Invalid DWORD count = 0
Running disparity error count = 0
Loss of DWORD synchronization = 0
Phy reset problem = 0
Phy event descriptors:
Invalid word count: 0
Running disparity error count: 0
Loss of dword synchronization count: 0
Phy reset problem count: 0
relative target port id = 2
generation code = 2
number of phys = 1
phy identifier = 1
attached device type: no device attached
attached reason: unknown
reason: power on
negotiated logical link rate: phy enabled; unknown
attached initiator port: ssp=0 stp=0 smp=0
attached target port: ssp=0 stp=0 smp=0
SAS address = 0x5000cca26a9c4c56
attached SAS address = 0x0
attached phy identifier = 0
Invalid DWORD count = 0
Running disparity error count = 0
Loss of DWORD synchronization = 0
Phy reset problem = 0
Phy event descriptors:
Invalid word count: 0
Running disparity error count: 0
Loss of dword synchronization count: 0
Phy reset problem count: 0
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Real pro-tip--don't buy fakes from china and get a genuine used card and cables for truly trouble-free operation.
Hi, i used the 'scsi-SATA_HGST_HUH721010AL_XXXXXXX' just as an example, each drive has a slightly different code. Find your drive in /dev/disk/by-id/ ( ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/ )
^^ edit sorry, you're on freebsd, but just find your drive wherever it is in BSD, every drive has a unique ending. Use grep with capital H in Helium.
or alternatively just run lsblk, and identify your drive there.
the helium level should show on any HUH* drive. It is under the 'Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:'
I admit i've never run it on a SAS drive, but should be there too by all logic.
oh yeah, u need to use capital H on helium.
Here is my Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds output as reference:
Code:
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 132 132 054 Pre-fail Offline - 103
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 154 154 024 Pre-fail Always - 446 (Average 408)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 15
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 128 128 020 Pre-fail Offline - 18
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 12798
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 15
22 Helium_Level 0x0023 100 100 025 Pre-fail Always - 100
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 088 088 000 Old_age Always - 14493
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 088 088 000 Old_age Always - 14493
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 136 136 000 Old_age Always - 44 (Min/Max 19/53)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
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