Topton Jasper Lake Quad i225V Mini PC Report

[T.Sharp]

Should I adjust for zero air gap or put a little bit PCB pressure /like all PC cpu coolers/?

Originally I used 0.3mm copper shims with thermal paste, between the CPU and cooler block. Worked just fine and had no issues with sustained Prime95 loads, but I wanted to see if removing the extra thermal interface would improve anything.

The janky solution I came up with was to stack a piece of high density foam (cut from some SSD packaging I had) and a bottle cap on the backside of the CPU, and use the bottom case panel to press it down. I cut the foam so there would be 3-5mm of compression when the bottom panel was installed. It's working well so far, maybe a couple degrees cooler after stabilizing in Prime95, and ~1c cooler at idle on my OPNsense box. I'd say it's not worth the trouble if you've already installed shims or something, but if you need a quick and free fix, it can work.

I found that if you use only the foam to bridge the gap between PCB and bottom panel, it compresses too easily and doesn't maintain pressure well once the foam takes a set. That's why I used the bottle cap to fill space.

 

[miro123]

OK thanks I will try using copper shims The thermal resistance is reverse proportional to the surface area - 1/S low
The CPU contact point remains the hotspot

 

[Stovar]

Thanks @Stovar for #2489.

I found "acustic noise reduction" as "acoustic noise mitigation" here:

• Advanced -> Power & performance -> CPU - Power Management Control -> CPU VR Settings -> Acoustic Noise Settings -> Acoustic Noise Mitigation

Edit: "Converted" those BIOS settings into tables with exact names taken from Changwang BIOS from 2023-04-18 (N5105 v3, 4L-V01)

Spoiler: Click to show

Advanced → ACPI Settings

Key	Value	Default
Enable ACPI Auto Configuration	Auto	Disabled

Advanced → CPU Configuration

Key	Value	Default
PECI	Disabled	Enabled

Advanced → Power & performance → CPU - Power Management Control

Key	Value	Default
Boot performance mode	Turbo Performance	Turbo Performance
Intel(R) SpeedStep(tm)	Enabled	Enabled
Platform PL1 Enable	Enabled	Enabled
Platform PL1 Power	10000	50000
Platform PL2 Enable	Enabled	Enabled
Platform PL2 Power	12000	65000
C states	Enabled	Enabled

Advanced → Power & performance → CPU - Power Management Control → CPU VR Settings → Acoustic Noise Settings → Acoustic Noise Mitigation

Key	Value	Default
Acoustic noise mitigation	Enabled	Disabled

Chipset → PCH-IO Configuration → PCI Express Configuration

Key	Value	Default
DMI Link ASPM Control	Auto	Auto

Chipset → PCH-IO Configuration → PCI Express Configuration → PCI express root port <1-8>

Key	Value	Default
ASPM	Auto	Disabled

Awesome hope you don't mind I have copied and pasted your table onto my post since it looks 100x better then mine and cleaned up my older post!

 

[mh7]

I am new to the forum. I purchased a 5105 unit that I got back in February. Been running bare metal OpnSense on it for a couple months and it has been running pretty well. One thing that I have noticed though checking the smart data for my 500gb nvme is that there seems to be a lot of writes.

=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 32 Celsius
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 5%
Percentage Used: 2%
Data Units Read: 17,035 [8.72 GB]
Data Units Written: 3,265,700 [1.67 TB]
Host Read Commands: 710,925
Host Write Commands: 102,416,656
Controller Busy Time: 17
Power Cycles: 14
Power On Hours: 1,553
Unsafe Shutdowns: 5
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 3
Warning Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Critical Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Temperature Sensor 1: 32 Celsius
Temperature Sensor 2: 35 Celsius
Temperature Sensor 8: 32 Celsius

1.67Tb seems like a lot for a couple of months. Today, I tried experimenting with adding a /var/log RAM disk and /tmp RAM disk in System - Settings - Miscellaneous. Writes seem to still be happening. Can anyone else running OpnSense verify what kind of writes they are seeingon their setups? Thanks.

 

[vincele6]

I am new to the forum. I purchased a 5105 unit that I got back in February. Been running bare metal OpnSense on it for a couple months and it has been running pretty well. One thing that I have noticed though checking the smart data for my 500gb nvme is that there seems to be a lot of writes.

1.67Tb seems like a lot for a couple of months. Today, I tried experimenting with adding a /var/log RAM disk and /tmp RAM disk in System - Settings - Miscellaneous. Writes seem to still be happening. Can anyone else running OpnSense verify what kind of writes they are seeing on their setups? Thanks.

Wow, that looks massive. I was investigating OpnSense for mine (a 5100 from wooyi) to run in a proxmox VM. This sure will need checking before I commit to it.

Is there something like linux iotop for BSDs ? Searching a bit...

Yes there is, can you try to find the culprit with:

top -m io -o total
or
iostat -w 1

EDIT: Just launching my VM now to have a look and compare with your findings...

EDIT2: I don't see a lot of writes, but the VM is quite new and barebones from the install nothing added at all...

 

[mh7]

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Wow, that looks massive. I was investigating OpnSense for mine (a 5100 from wooyi) to run in a proxmox VM. This sure will need checking before I commit to it.

Is there something like linux iotop for BSDs ? Searching a bit...

Yes there is, can you try to find the culprit with:

top -m io -o total
or
iostat -w 1

EDIT: Just launching my VM now to have a look and compare with your findings...

Here is iostat -w 1:

tty nvd0 cpu
tin tout KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id
0 47 19.9 18 0.3 2 0 1 0 97
0 131 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 32.7 103 3.3 5 0 1 0 94
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 46 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 10.8 112 1.2 0 0 1 0 99
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 1 0 2 0 97
0 43 0.0 0 0.0 1 0 1 0 98
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 2 0 98
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 99
0 44 13.8 124 1.7 0 0 1 0 99
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100
0 45 0.0 0 0.0 5 0 1 0 94
0 44 17.6 100 1.7 7 0 3 0 90
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 99
0 44 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 100



Seems like something is writing every so often.

 

[vincele6]

1 to 3 MB every 5 secs may add to >1TBW after a few monthes, if my math is right...

Your filesystem is not full, so where does that go ?

 

[qQ4lXbYj]

I have a rather interesting problem which I am sure has a perfectly reasonable explanation (not). So basically I have a Topton but with the i1135G7 and the i225V 4 port ethernet. My problem is that if I passthrough port 1 or 4 (enp2s0, enp5s0) to a proxmox VM it fails with a message
"Can't go from D3cold to D0, device inaccessible" or something like that. If I use ports 2 and 3 then it works flawlessly. Do ports 1 and 4 have a special function that I am not aware of?

 

[mh7]

1 to 3 MB every 5 secs may add to >1TBW after a few monthes, if my math is right...

Your filesystem is not full, so where does that go ?

Not sure. Here is disk usage:

0% / [zfs] (1.1G/442G)
1% /boot/efi [msdosfs] (1.8M/260M)
0% /var/mail [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /zroot [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /usr/home [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /usr/ports [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /var/crash [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /usr/src [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /tmp [zfs] (4.0M/441G)
0% /var/log [zfs] (67M/441G)
0% /var/audit [zfs] (96K/441G)
0% /var/tmp [zfs] (100K/441G)
0% /var/log [tmpfs] (228K/3.9G)
0% /tmp [tmpfs] (7.1M/3.9G)

Went into Reporting and Settings and turned off Unbound DNS reporting and RRD. Writes seem to happen less frequently. I don't know.

 

[miro123]

I'm new in this forum and I have one stupid questions
1. How can I search search information in this forum. - e.g. I'm searching for optimal BIOS version and BIOS settings for Topton N5105/4xI226 board
2. Is there a moderator of this forum? -137 pages in single thread can be a trigger for splitting and cleanup actions.

 

[hmw]

I'm new in this forum and I have one stupid questions
1. How can I search search information in this forum. - e.g. I'm searching for optimal BIOS version and BIOS settings for Topton N5105/4xI226 board

Search using 'this thread'

 

[hmw]

Has anyone gotten Server Core 2022 installed on the Topton?

I have an older variant with i225-V and installing drivers for the Ethernet adapters is seemingly impossible

The i225 identifies itself as PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15F3&SUBSYS_00008086&REV_03

However, even after disabling Secure Boot and signed driver enforcement - I still cannot install the driver from the Windows Admin Center



I downloaded ver 28 of the Intel Ethernet Driver Pack and changed the driver inf in the \PRO2500\Winx64\WS2022 directory to include the relevant DEV ID i.e. I added to the [Intel.NTamd64.10.0...17763] section the entry for the E15F3_3NC device as highlighted below



I still cannot get anything installed on WS2022 Core. Has anyone succeeded in getting drivers installed on 2022 core for this PC?

 

[djovani]

Has anyone gotten Server Core 2022 installed on the Topton?

I have an older variant with i225-V and installing drivers for the Ethernet adapters is seemingly impossible

The i225 identifies itself as PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_15F3&SUBSYS_00008086&REV_03

However, even after disabling Secure Boot and signed driver enforcement - I still cannot install the driver from the Windows Admin Center

View attachment 28894

I downloaded ver 28 of the Intel Ethernet Driver Pack and changed the driver inf in the \PRO2500\Winx64\WS2022 directory to include the relevant DEV ID i.e. I added to the [Intel.NTamd64.10.0...17763] section the entry for the E15F3_3NC device as highlighted below

View attachment 28896

I still cannot get anything installed on WS2022 Core. Has anyone succeeded in getting drivers installed on 2022 core for this PC?

A quick question, did you try manually selecting the driver on the device from the device manager?

 

[hmw]

A quick question, did you try manually selecting the driver on the device from the device manager?

There is no GUI in Server Core - I can do this for Server but for Core, you have to use pnputil and devcon to 'force' drivers for a specific INF and device ID. It's still not the same as in the GUI where you can simply choose a different driver to install for a given dev ID

 

[grotim]

Hi !

I bought one of these for cheap (50 Euros) on an auction.
It was new in it original sealed package (apparently coming for a batch of unclaimed parcels).

The exact model is MW-JSL2.5g-4l.
Please note the dash between 2.5g and 4l as apparently, there is also a similar model named MW-JSL2.5g4l (without dash).

It seems that MW-JSL2.5g-4l and MW-JSL2.5g4l have very similar specs. The only visible difference is that the former has a VGA socket, while the later has a DP socket.

I made a stupid mistake upon receiving the mini-pc: First thing i did has been to update the bios, using this BIOS:

http://pan.changwang.com:8888/directlink/1/BIOS%E7%A8%8B%E5%BA%8F/MW-JSL.2.5G-4L%EF%BC%88%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E7%89%88N5105%E7%BB%BF%E8%89%B2PCB%E7%89%88%E6%9C%AC%E4%B8%93%E7%94%A8BIOS-V2%EF%BC%89/N5105-%E5%88%B7%E5%90%8E%E6%94%AF%E6%8C%814K%E6%97%A0%E5%A3%B0%E9%9F%B3-%E6%94%AF%E6%8C%81VGA%E6%98%BE%E7%A4%BA(%E7%AC%AC%E4%BA%8C%E7%89%88%E7%BB%BF%E8%89%B2PCB%E7%89%88%E6%9C%AC%E4%B8%93%E7%94%A8%EF%BC%89.zip

I was planning to save the originalbios before updatingwith the new one, however, i press a random key instead of ESC during th 5 seconds timeframe, and the update process started right away

The good news is that the bios update process went smoothly.

the bad news is that the updated bios is older than the Stock one!

Original Bios, dated from August 2022

Bios from CWWK web page, dated from May 2022

First question, By any chance, does someone has a backup of the bios from August?

Second bad news, (which may or may not be related to my bios update) , The box runs well except if i plug my NVME ssd. (Crucial P3).
If the P3 is in place, the PC won't startup at all (no power led, no beep, nothing. Just dead).After removing the SSD, the PC will start normally.

Second Question : Any idea what may cause this ? Unfortunately, i don't have any other SSD on hand to test if the root cause is the SSD itself or the PC.

Thanks for your time!

 

[grotim]

Follow up on my previous post:
Tokay I tried my neighbor's ssd , a 250gb patriot.
The PC can't boot with this one too. (No LED, no beep, no display) .
It is likely a bios or hardware problem on the motherboard.
I think i'll stick with a Sata SSD for now.

 

[olavrb]

@grotim

Isn't this one compatible with your motherboard and newer? Says "2022/9/29".

https://www.changwang.com/down/74.html

 

[grotim]

@grotim

Isn't this one compatible with your motherboard and newer? Says "2022/9/29".

第二版N5105_V2_BIOS_2022/9/29更新 Ver1.1（主板型号：MW-JSL2.5G4L)

更新日志：2022.9.29①修正ESXi无法关机，关机变重启BUG；②提高第一次开机内存识别速度；③提高NVMe硬盘兼容性，兼容更多厂商颗粒。温馨提示：更新前请确认绿色主板上私印型号为：MW-JSL2.5G4L，（特别注意：MW-JSL2.5G-4L 显示接口为VGA+DP版本的请勿更新）更新成功后重启会重新识别一次内存，有些内存第一次识别比较久，识别过程中请勿关机。

www.changwang.com

If i trust Google Translate, there is the following warning in the description of the download page:

Reminder: Before updating, please confirm that the privately printed model on the green motherboard is: MW-JSL2.5G4L, (Special attention: please do not update if the display interface of MW-JSL2.5G-4L is VGA+DP version) After the update is successful, restart and restart Recognize the memory once. Some memories take a long time to recognize for the first time. Please do not turn off the power during the recognition process.

My version is MW-JSL2.5G-4L with VGA, so i understand that this version is not suitable for me.

 

[olavrb]

If i trust Google Translate, there is the following warning in the description of the download page:


My version is MW-JSL2.5G-4L with VGA, so i understand that this version is not suitable for me.

Ah, ok. Maybe send them an email if you find an address on their web page? Or contact CWWK on AliExpress? There is also cwwk.net with a "Contact" page.

 

[grotim]

Ah, ok. Maybe send them an email if you find an address on their web page? Or contact CWWK on AliExpress? There is also cwwk.net with a "Contact" page.

Thanks, i have sent them a mail earlier today. I'll let you know if they reply.