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Civiloid

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only the R1S option SKU support 136 lanes.
Well... somewhat expected, but are there even any known R1S SKUs exist?

not all LGA4710 motherboards support 136 lanes(so far i see none)
https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=GNRD8-2L2T#Specifications - that one should, but its not clear if it would support GNR ES (and if there would be any R1S ES). I've seen offers on Alibaba and on some shady-looking websites only, for about 780-1100 USD.
 

RolloZ170

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yes, nice. but ASRock Rack...
but its not clear if it would support GNR ES (and if there would be any R1S ES).
there are two types of ES. ES1 A0 and ES2 A2. i doubt A2 works on ASRock Rack, they even doesn't support ES2 on LGA4677 platform.
I've seen offers on Alibaba and on some shady-looking websites only, for about 780-1100 USD.
that is the price. low prices at Sapphite Rapids ES is a very rare exception because of intel's silicon rework.
 

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that is the price. low prices at Sapphite Rapids ES is a very rare exception because of intel's silicon rework.
Price-wise that is ok if I'd know that it would 100% work :) Motherboards for Sapphire Rapids costs not much cheaper most of the time. How those shop websites looks is also what worries me (no warranty - higher risk and I might not even get it shipped...)

there are two types of ES. ES1 A0 and ES2 A2. i doubt A2 works on ASRock Rack, they even doesn't support ES2 on LGA4677 platform.
That is exactly what stops me from trying :)
 
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Alastair Hellard

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Hi all,

Looking at upgrading my old e5 v4 setup. I've got my eye on a pair of ES 3rd gen golds, and an SuperMicro X12DPI-N6. I have never forayed into the ES world before, and just wanted to check if this is a dumb consideration / this will work.

Seems to be quite a limited choice in the UK of 3rd gen components. Unless I am looking in the wrong place!

TIA
 

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I've got my eye on a pair of ES 3rd gen golds, and an SuperMicro X12DPI-N6. I have never forayed into the ES world before, and just wanted to check if this is a dumb consideration / this will work.
X12DPI-N6 ES support: only up to BIOS 1.1b
except you mean stepping D0 ES2.(shows step 6 in CPU-Z)
 

Alastair Hellard

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Ah yes just seen in the listing they are QU98.

Thanks for the help - there don't seem to be many about so may need to think again.

EDIT:

Out of interest - as I know nothing about these things - what makes a certain type of ES bad? Just stability / quality etc? Still going to look elsewhere!!
 
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SDletmk

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rare one happens: there are Q0?? EV-QS models.
So in this case, the fact that it's a E1B is more important than that whether or not it's QY**, and it probably won't work on my Asrock? Then again, only 8 cores isn't that much of an improvement compared to the actual Xeon-W CPUs, especially considering it's an ES and $200.
Well, at least it's another letter code documented.
 

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the fact that it's a E1B is more important than that whether or not it's QY**, and it probably won't work on my Asrock?
Q071 is not working. others not tested.
Then again, only 8 cores isn't that much of an improvement compared to the actual Xeon-W CPUs, especially considering it's an ES and $200.
i have other R0 E1B: 32C Q077, and 20C Q075
you can try.
 

painkoyo

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sorry for the repost,
I am still wondering if anyone has the F07 BIOS file for MS33-AR0. I intend to test something with it on my MS33-CPA.
Thank you.
 

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depends on the type of FW.
Root of Trust (RoT) only accepts BIOS signed with production cert/key. Test/Debug BIOS ( TESsd, STDsd) is not accepted and if flashed by SPI programmer restored by RoT system before POST.

not Root of Trust X1*SRA/X1*SWA BIOS can be modded as you want, some must be flashed with clamp and SPI programmer.
Although this information is rather for a different thread - recently I was looking into Supermicro' pictures of my X13DEI (making some upgrades for PCIe devices) and noticed JPFR1 / JPFR2 / JPFR3 / JPME1 / JPME2 jumpers which theoretically (looking into manuals of similar boards, but without much knowledge about firmware upgrade specifics, only read some header descriptions by others) would allow entering "Manufacturer" mode and skip PFR Function (Platform Firmware Resilience) as well as bypassing SPI flash security checks. (there are range of other undocumented jumpers/headers like JDB1 / JVRM1 / JVRM2 / JPL1 etc., but I think most of those are rather for other purposes like LAN control, debug, redirect PCH vs BMC for VRM readings and so on..)
 
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and noticed JPFR1 / JPFR2 / JPFR3 / JPME1 / JPME2 jumpers which theoretically (looking into manuals of similar boards, but without much knowledge about firmware upgrade specifics, only read some header descriptions by others) would allow entering "Manufacturer" mode and skip PFR Function (Platform Firmware Resilience) as well as bypassing SPI flash security checks.
"Manufacturer" mode, means the intel SPS/ME =Chipset Firmware (located in the BIOS chip)
JPFR1 is for CPLD debug.
the RoT functionality must avoid a firmware manipulation on the way from factory to the customer.
Disable PFR means the BIOS is not auto recovered if validation was failed.
Platform Firmware Resilience != Root of Trust
 
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painkoyo

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Hi,
I recently got a Q1WX, but when I install it on my MS33-CPA, the system won't power on. Other SPR-SP ES CPUs work fine on the same setup (BIOS version F01), so the issue seems specific to the Q1WX CPU.
Does anyone have information about this Q-SPEC (Q1WX) or know why it won't work? I strongly suspect that it is an ES from the Xeon W-2400 series.
Thanks for any help!
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