ES Xeon Discussion

[RolloZ170]

Haven't seen them on ebay...

not there, only china mainland.

Ah... Ok... And I guess - extremely expensive?

no, but hard to buy as non chinese.
compatibilty is bad.
no supermicro (officialy don't support A0)
no asrock rack
no tyan (officialy don't support A0)
only some gigabyte.

Have you tried it on MS73 by any chance?

have seen working with BIOS R03 ( seems to be the only BIOS, don't know more . i have not MS73 )

 

[JosefHrib]

Do the 8480+ related ES CPUs (QYFS, QYFR, QYK8, and possibly more) contain the accelerators that the production CPU does? If they do, is there any benefit to them for workstation processes, or are they are negative in using PCIE resources for processes that aren't as relevant for non-server applications? I've read about them here: Fact Sheet: (Intel Accelerator fact sheet) and I'm still not sure what they could do for systems not intended for data centers/servers.

I also found this QYFS (claimed to be related to the 8470, but with a base speed of 1.5GHz) but it doesn't look like it has much appeal compared some other ES CPUs: Intel xeon Platinum 8470ES lga4677 270w 1.5GHZ 52C/104T For ms73-hb1 ms33-ar0 | eBay

I owned QYFS more than year. And QYFS is more similar as model 8480+. Not 8470.

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/asus-pro-ws-w790e-sage-se-intel-xeon-sapphire-rapids-sp-es-works-it.41306/
2.Tested CPU: QYFS
Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids QYFS ES2 D0 56C/112T 105MB L3 350W similar to Xeon Platinum 8480+
Default base 1.9GHz boost all cores 2.8GHz 350W TDP
With Windows High Performance Mode stable frequency +- 2.5GHz-2.6GHz, under load allcore +- 2.8GHz/2,9GHz singlecore +- 3,6GHz/3,7GHz, idle +- 1.9GHz/2.0GHz, TDP +- 170W (With Windows Balanced Mode idle 800MHz TDP +-90W)
Screenshot 8-17

 

[RolloZ170]

Do the 8480+ related ES CPUs (QYFS, QYFR, QYK8, and possibly more) contain the accelerators that the production CPU does?

no,some have more accel.some less.
the brand string is "0000" so don't compare with retail SKU except core count & LLC cache.

I've read about them here: Fact Sheet: (Intel Accelerator fact sheet) and I'm still not sure what they could do for systems not intended for data centers/servers.

accel. e.g. QAT in ES here have BUGs. there are so many steppings after, for what reason ?

I also found this QYFS (claimed to be related to the 8470, but with a base speed of 1.5GHz) but it doesn't look like it has much appeal compared some other ES CPUs: Intel xeon Platinum 8470ES lga4677 270w 1.5GHZ 52C/104T For ms73-hb1 ms33-ar0 | eBay

QYFW not QYFS.
QYFW: 52 core 1,5Ght base, 3,4Ghz boost. TDP=270W

 

[SDletmk]

no,some have more accel.some less.
the brand string is "0000" so don't compare with retail SKU except core count & LLC cache.

accel. e.g. QAT in ES here have BUGs. there are so many steppings after, for what reason ?

QYFW not QYFS.
QYFW: 52 core 1,5Ght base, 3,4Ghz boost. TDP=270W

I meant QYFW, yes. I'm new to ES chips and likely a bit too stupid for it since I also keep messing up the 0000=not retail SKU thing, so I apologize. I said related to denote that I was referring to them in context of their possible accelerators and if they were chips to avoid because of the possibility of accelerator disfunction on ES chips.

 

[RolloZ170]

I meant QYFW, yes. I'm new to ES chips and likely a bit too stupid for it since I also keep messing up the 0000=not retail SKU thing, so I apologize

no reason to apologize. it is rare but ES can also have more features than the prod.unit.
e.g. QYFS and most other stepping D0 ES2 have memory controller with overclocking support.

 

[RolloZ170]

I said related to denote that I was referring to them in context of their possible accelerators and if they were chips to avoid because of the possibility of accelerator disfunction on ES chips.

i never worked with e.g. QAT accel. or others, all samples are for linux.
there is a high chance the intel driver refuse to work if you use porcoessor with ES bit set.
PMEM/DCPMM eng.sample don't work in AP mode for same reason.

 

[kobadan]

but Q077,Q075 and Q071(All R0 step 3 MCC) are working on ASRock / ASUS W790

Here is the report that R0 stepping MCCs are working on Asrock but this spreadsheet says MCC ESs are not working
Which is correct?
Is there anyone who tried this combination?

 

[RolloZ170]

Here is the report that R0 stepping MCCs are working on Asrock but this spreadsheet says MCC ESs are not working
Which is correct?
Is there anyone who tried this combination?

sorry. D0 R0 MCC work on ASUS W790 and X13SRA-TF(with Debug BIOS)
so i guessed it works on ASRock W790 too but i failed. sorry.

 

[RolloZ170]

Is there anyone who tried this combination?

two reports: ASRock W790 WS & Q071 = not work.

 

[kobadan]

sorry. D0 R0 MCC work on ASUS W790 and X13SRA-TF(with Debug BIOS)
so i guessed it works on ASRock W790 too but i failed. sorry.

two reports: ASRock W790 WS & Q071 = not work.

Thank you for the answer!

 

[Civiloid]

have seen working with BIOS R03 ( seems to be the only BIOS, don't know more . i have not MS73 )

Well, I guess we'll know for sure if it works on MS73 with R03 BIOS in few weeks

 

[masutatsu]

I bought this CPU at Chinese 2nd hand market.
It's LGA4677 Xeon MAX 9480 ES (QS?) model.
I thought it's similar name of known stepping D0 model.
So, I thought it might work on W790 motherboard...
But there is no uploads of 806F3/10 microcode.
Is there any one who knows the details of this CPU?
Thank you!

 

[RolloZ170]

It's LGA4677 Xeon MAX 9480 ES (QS?) model.
I thought it's similar name of known stepping D0 model.
So, I thought it might work on W790 motherboard...
But there is no uploads of 806F3/10 microcode.
Is there any one who knows the details of this CPU?

A0/A1/B0 stepping. 806F0 / 806F1 platform 10
stepping D0 is SPR-SP XCC platform 87
SPR-HBM have Ax / Bx stepping,
no way on motherboards without Xeon Max. support (need add. voltage to the socket)

 

[SDletmk]

Is there any information on QYFT 20C/40T? It starts with QY and seems to have an E1A mark despite its claimed low core count, so I was wondering if it would be another possible CPU for my Asrock W790. I couldn't find much on it in this thread and the spreadsheet doesn't seem to have it.

 

[RolloZ170]

Is there any information on QYFT 20C/40T? It starts with QY and seems to have an E1A mark despite its claimed low core count, so I was wondering if it would be another possible CPU for my Asrock W790

QYFT (D0) is OK too, 5 cores per tile enabled.

 

[SDletmk]

QYFT (D0) is OK too, 5 cores per tile enabled.

Do you know what CPU it could be a prototype/earlier version of? Only production with matching core count and L3 I see on Wikipedia is the W7-3445, unless it is 5420+-type with 8 cores disabled (but then, is 5420+ even tiled, or is it a single-die MCC?). I'm trying to figure out if it's an odd exception to the rest that will still work on the Asrock.

 

[RolloZ170]

Do you know what CPU it could be a prototype/earlier version of? Only production with matching core count and L3 I see on Wikipedia is the W7-3445, unless it is 5420+-type with 8 cores disabled (but then, is 5420+ even tiled, or is it a single-die MCC?).

don't do that for ES. intel can change mind every day.
especialy at sapphire rapids, the MCC wan't planed at begin, intel decided late because of the power draw of the EMIBs (tile2tile interconnect)

 

[RolloZ170]

I'm trying to figure out if it's an odd exception to the rest that will still work on the Asrock.

E1A is XCC in any case.

 

[SDletmk]

don't do that for ES. intel can change mind every day.
especialy at sapphire rapids the MCC wan't planed at begin, intel decided late because of the power draw of the EMIBs (tile2tile interconnect)

I'm mainly trying to puzzle out compatibility with my Asrock (and because I want to get a better understanding of these things). If the QYFT was workstation-ish, that would explain to me why it's XCC despite having so few cores. Also, it would be interesting to know whether it has 112 PCIE or 80 PCIE lanes, not that that matters for the Asrock.

 

[RolloZ170]

If the QYFT was workstation-ish, that would explain to me why it's XCC despite having so few cores. Also, it would be interesting to know whether it has 112 PCIE or 80 PCIE lanes, not that that matters for the Asrock.

80lanes.
QYFT is SPR-SP (not WS)
at that time single DIE (MCC) wasn't planned by intel.
but finaly today there are XCC models with only 32 cores.