haven't intel motherboards been more feature laden than AMD? What's the point of having an AMD chip with every feature under the sun if you need add-in cards for SAS, 10gig, etc
They are launching Desktop first.haven't intel motherboards been more feature laden than AMD? What's the point of having an AMD chip with every feature under the sun if you need add-in cards for SAS, 10gig, etc
I think it's more that they realized it was pointless, and most motherboard manufacturers weren't implementing the support properly anyway. (AMD's had the same problem...)My very first "low power" server build was on an AM3+ chip using ECC memory. I was ecstatic to get a system idle below 30 watts with the drives spun down (16GB & 4x 500GB IIRC - big time ). I really believe that competing with this is why the Pentium & I3 chips always supported ECC - until Kaby Lake, of course, when Intel figured out that the lack of competition could allow them to reserve that to E3 and price accordingly.
Dangit! Assuming Naples is AM4 then bummer.They are launching Desktop first.
I am not as excited about the AM4 platform.
I did not say Naples is AM4.Dangit! Assuming Naples is AM4 then bummer.
Yep. Gotta keep their foot on the gas.if they are smart they'll reinvest all their windfalls from this launch into speeding up the launch of zen+ and zen++ to keep up the ante and win both mindshare and marketshare from Intel
I can dream, but until ecc and smp are added to amd's toolkit with these new cpu's you are probably right. Intel has no need to cut pricing until the day that amd actually releases working product.@RobertFontaine E5's have ECC, huge mem capacities, 2S capable, more pcie, sata, and more cores. E5-2620 V4 is already $420 for 8 cores with more cache but lower clocks.
I don't think E5's are gonna have to move, it's the i3 i5 and i7's that are getting a price drop.
This is the animal I'm waiting for. Hopefully we'll hear something from supermicro regarding Naples mobos in the lead up to Q2. Excited to see Ryzen reviews, and I hope some Naples models with fairly high clocks.Wait for Naples or at least an Opteron version of Ryzen. You may have both ECC support and a weak integrated GPU of sorts if you get a Server Motherboard with a BMC (Like the Aspeed).
Heck, while Ryzen can go up to 8C/16T, in I/O it isn't as strong as LGA 2011-3, it is just barely above LGA 1151. Dual Channel and 20 Processor PCIe Lanes compared to Quad and 40. If you need either RAM capacity, Memory Bandwidth or PCIe Lanes, Desktop Ryzen is not competitive against a cheap Dual Xeon E5 2600v4 platform. And the next Skylake-E platform was supposed to be even more expansive than that.
I said "in I/O", not compute. I don't need benchmark proof, just look at the plain specifications to figure it out.Do you have proof that the 1700X or the 1800X is not on-par if not better in ST/MT applications against say a 6900K? I don't think comparing a desktop AM4 Ryzen processor to a dual E5 Xeon is an apples to apples test either. It would be better to compare Naples to Skylake-EP or Broadwell-EP once it's released in the 2nd quarter.