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KevinR

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I came across a youtube review of one of the cwwk boards where it was unstable unless the user downclocked the DDR5 to 4400, from 4800. Not an ideal workaround, but does show that these boards are running close to the edge of the specifications. Whether through cheap design, cheap psu, etc, etc. So like overclockers playing the silicon lottery they hit limits easier than say an ASRock. But they include a lot more for less money - when they work!

Those with crashes on the purple K boards. I'm assuming you have the bios version that got the ASM1166 working with ASPM? The first version was broken which was madly ironic.
 
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asychev

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KevinR said:
was unstable unless the user downclocked the DDR5 to 4400, from 4800
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I use 5600 48Gb module which obviously works at 4800 - no issues so far. All the problems clearly not with memory.

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I'm assuming you have the bios version that got the ASM1166 working with ASPM?
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All my tests are with latest bios. I'm not ready to say "it works with ASPM", almost all my manipulations with various APSM settings in BIOS lead to hangs at boot, but not sure it is tied to ASM1166 only.
 
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Lerk said:
do yo know the settings in bios to put the c-state to c6?
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On the black board with JMB585 (I think you/recent posters have the purple one with ASM chip?), when you enable c-states, additional options show up. One of them is max c-states which gives different sub-options - my black board boots fine if I select max C6 or lower (note: auto or default doesn’t work). I’m not sure if you get this submenu on purple boards?

The system is super stable - been on 21 days uptime on Proxmox now.

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Also, not sure what C-state the system actually achieves - I get the follow idle stats from powertop.

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           Pkg(OS)  |            CPU(OS) 0
POLL        7.1%    | POLL        3.0%    0.1 ms
C1E         7.4%    | C1E         5.5%    0.6 ms
C6          5.8%    | C6          4.4%    0.8 ms
C8          9.9%    | C8          7.2%    0.8 ms
C10        39.0%    | C10        22.3%    0.8 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 1
                    | POLL        7.9%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         8.4%    0.5 ms
                    | C6          6.7%    0.9 ms
                    | C8          7.6%    0.9 ms
                    | C10        13.2%    1.0 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 2
                    | POLL        9.3%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         2.7%    0.4 ms
                    | C6          4.3%    0.8 ms
                    | C8         12.7%    1.6 ms
                    | C10        65.5%    3.5 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 3
                    | POLL        7.3%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         3.8%    0.2 ms
                    | C6          7.3%    0.9 ms
                    | C8          3.9%    1.5 ms
                    | C10        68.9%    6.2 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 4
                    | POLL        3.2%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         0.3%    0.2 ms
                    | C6          0.4%    0.9 ms
                    | C8          0.4%    1.7 ms
                    | C10         3.9%    5.3 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 5
                    | POLL        8.8%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E        26.2%    0.5 ms
                    | C6          8.6%    1.6 ms
                    | C8         24.5%    1.8 ms
                    | C10        21.2%    2.0 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 6
                    | POLL        9.0%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         6.1%    0.2 ms
                    | C6          6.9%    0.8 ms
                    | C8         10.7%    1.7 ms
                    | C10        60.0%    4.0 ms

                    |            CPU(OS) 7
                    | POLL        7.9%    0.1 ms
                    | C1E         6.0%    0.2 ms
                    | C6          8.0%    0.8 ms
                    | C8         12.5%    1.6 ms
                    | C10        57.1%    3.3 ms
 

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Lerk

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On the black board with JMB585 (I think you/recent posters have the purple one with ASM chip?), when you enable c-states, additional options show up. One of them is max c-states which gives different sub-options - my black board boots fine if I select max C6 or lower (note: auto or default doesn’t work). I’m not sure if you get this submenu on purple boards?

The system is super stable - been on 21 days uptime on Proxmox now.

See attachment.

Also, not sure what C-state the system actually achieves - I get the follow idle stats from powertop.
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My board is black xD

Okay perfect. C6 activated and unRAID started perfectly. We will see if it works well
 
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NeutronWave

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My board is black xD

Okay perfect. C6 activated and unRAID started perfectly. We will see if it works well
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It should work just fine with C6 :). Are you able to report back your rig + power usage by any chance for comparison? Also, are you able to test without any drives on the SMB585 chip and enabling C10 then if it boots?

FWIW, I have 1 NVME, 1 dual tpu coral in the other NVME slot, 1x 3.5”HDD, 1x 2.5” HDD and 3x 2.5” SSD and on c.30% CPU utilisation on average I never see it go below 37W. This is on the 8-core N305.
 
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My purple N100 is still rock solid. Currently at 20 days of uptime and I have the board for roughly 2 months now. Running 2 NVMEs, 5x Seagate Exos X20 18TB. Using a pico psu 160w with a meanwell 200W brick.
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how you power all the HDD's ?
 
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NeutronWave said:
It should work just fine with C6 :). Are you able to report back your rig + power usage by any chance for comparison? Also, are you able to test without any drives on the SMB585 chip and enabling C10 then if it boots?

FWIW, I have 1 NVME, 1 dual tpu coral in the other NVME slot, 1x 3.5”HDD, 1x 2.5” HDD and 3x 2.5” SSD and on c.30% CPU utilisation on average I never see it go below 37W. This is on the 8-core N305.
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About 20-24W
N100
3x 3.5" HDD 12Tb
1x 2.5" SSD 1Tb
 
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how you power all the HDD's ?
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PicoPSU 160W using a MW GST220A12. I have the jonsbo N3 so I connected 2x molex and the SATA connector to the backplane.
I tried a GST120A12 but it was not enough to boot the system. In idle my system only consumes around 17W though.
 
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Looks like combination of C6 max + all ASPM settings to explicit L1 (not auto) finally stable for me

~ 38W idle, 48W with 5 HDDs active (unraid parity calculation), ~19w with HDDs spin down

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root@unraid:~# lspci -vv | awk '/ASPM/{print $0}' RS= | grep --color -P '(^[a-z0-9:.]+|ASPM )'
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 54b8 (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
                LnkCap: Port #1, Speed 8GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 54b9 (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
                LnkCap: Port #2, Speed 8GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 54ba (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
                LnkCap: Port #3, Speed 8GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 54bb (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
                LnkCap: Port #4, Speed 8GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
00:1c.6 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 54be (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
                LnkCap: Port #7, Speed 8GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <16us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp WD Blue SN580 NVMe SSD (DRAM-less) (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])
                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <8us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
02:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp WD Blue SN580 NVMe SSD (DRAM-less) (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])
                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <8us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
03:00.0 SATA controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1166 Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 8GT/s, Width x2, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <4us, L1 <64us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V (rev 04)
                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <4us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V (rev 04)
                LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 <4us
                LnkCtl: ASPM L1 Enabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
 
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Lerk

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Thanks! Presume this is C6 and minimum/idle CPU utilisation?
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yes, but i have the same problem with the stability of unRAID server.

new black motherbord and 3-4 hours and unRAID freezing/becoming inaccessible.

I'm desperate, I don't know what else to do...

5 Minutes on Safe Mode.....
 

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Has anyone tried Proxmox iGPU passthrough for a Windows VM with the purple board (CW-NAS-ADLN-K)?

Is it even possible with this hardware?

I have been trying different guides but so far, no luck— no video output at all.

The closest guides, in regard to the hardware, I have found are this one and one from GitHub and another from a video.

I have tried using both the 6.8.8-4-pve and 6.2.16-20-pve kernels, but neither has yielded any video output.
 
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andzinsama said:
Has anyone tried Proxmox iGPU passthrough for a Windows VM with the purple board (CW-NAS-ADLN-K)?

Is it even possible with this hardware?

I have been trying different guides but so far, no luck— no video output at all.

The closest guides, in regard to the hardware, I have found are this one and one from GitHub and another from a video.

I have tried using both the 6.8.8-4-pve and 6.2.16-20-pve kernels, but neither has yielded any video output.
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Update:

Started from scratch and it worked.

Turns out I have mismatched igd and gop roms.
 
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Need help , again.

I still have freezing problems.

Software: I don't think it's an unraid problem because it's frozen in the bios screen.

Hardware: I changed the RAM (crucial and corsair) the power supply , the motherboard (black model too) and same problems

I have disconnected everything (hard drives, nvme, pendrive) and I have also suffered freezes on the bios screen.

I'm desperate, I don't know what to do, send everything to hell?
 
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You change the motherboard? Similar or same?
Does the fan spin properly?
Apart from that change motherboard power / reset bios to default. If you already did then based on what you wrote, it does sound broken.
 
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Steffe said:
You change the motherboard? Similar or same?
Does the fan spin properly?
Apart from that change motherboard power / reset bios to default. If you already did then based on what you wrote, it does sound broken.
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Yes, I bought the same model of motherboard.
The CPU fan works perfectly.
Yes, I update to the last bios and reset to default.

Now for example, I had the bios screen, it has been turned off, no noise, no restart, nothing, like hibernation.

NeutronWave said:
Can you run memtest86+ for 24 hours to really rule out bad memory?
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Yes I can do, but if i tested two differents memories.....dont know.
Running memtest86+, we will see if it doesnt freeze.
 
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