12gen N-series Nas motherboard (topton, cwwk, ... )

[Losco]

Another update from a new Purple N100 owner, having had a bit of time to play around with it and compare to the older black DC model. FWIW mine came with all the correct screws and backplate. I have updated to the newest BIOS (the non-sata boot version).

As an upside, the fan controller somewhat works now - there are basic settings in the BIOS to set off/on/full speed limits which works. As of yet I've not worked out how to get it to read/control via unraid

On the downside, the power usage is exactly the same as the older board - I am idling at 16W-17W. I've noted the discussion about ASPM settings, updating the ASM1166 etc but this is all beyond me so far as a linux/unraid noob

I am opening to trying anything to get the power down, and of course will try any new BIOSes as they come along!

Picture is kinda dark, but mine came with screws to the left, (M3 pitch) but standard MB screw should be 6-32 (black one on the right)
also board hole is too small for 6-32 screw to fit in.

 

[majoracehole]

Have you enabled ASPM in the BIOs and updated the ASM1166 sata controller?

As I said, I don't really know how to update the ASM1166, all the guides I can find online refer to the PCIE versions and putting the card in a windows machine. Scouring the BIOS I didn't spot any obvious settings for ASPM to suggest it was disabled. More or less everything is on its default settings

 

[yoinked]

The ASPM issue with the internal ASM1166 is fixed with the new bios. Idling around 17W in unRAID using 5 HDDs and 2 NVMes. Power consumption only dropped around 1W compared to an external ASM1166 with the internal one disabled but that was to be expected. Board reaches C6 in 2.5 GbE and C8 in 1 GbE mode. Not sure what's missing to hit C10 as modern standby seems to be enabled.

 

[Outbound0918]

The ASPM issue with the internal ASM1166 is fixed with the new bios. Idling around 17W in unRAID using 5 HDDs and 2 NVMes. Power consumption only dropped around 1W compared to an external ASM1166 with the internal one disabled but that was to be expected. Board reaches C6 in 2.5 GbE and C8 in 1 GbE mode. Not sure what's missing to hit C10 as modern standby seems to be enabled.

Great news! Thank you for reporting your findings!

Question, is there an ASPM Enable/Disable option in the BIOs or is it simply enabled all the time but only works if ALL devices support ASPM?

 

[yoinked]

You need to enable ASPM for every PCIe device in the bios and additionally the devices/nvmes have to support ASPM.

 

[Outbound0918]

You need to enable ASPM for every PCIe device in the bios and additionally the devices/nvmes have to support ASPM.

Still waiting for my board to arrive.
Is the setting called ASPM? Or something else?
Apologies, I don't have the board yet to check myself (it may be obvious)

 

[Kobold81]

Hi, I bought the purple n305 nas board.

at first start, I thought I just had to save and exit the bios, but I am always thrown back to the bios. Do I have to set anything there? My usb drive is not shown as bootable, although proxmox is on that.

 

[yoinked]

Still waiting for my board to arrive.
Is the setting called ASPM? Or something else?
Apologies, I don't have the board yet to check myself (it may be obvious)

There's a couple of ASPM related options. Just go through all the menus and enable all of them. The bios is quite convoluted unfortunately but at least with the new bios there's no need to unlock more settings (ctrl + f1) to find all of the ASPM settings.

 

[DougQuaid]

C10 package state can be achieved only with wifi connection, all lan cables must be disconnected

 

[KevinR]

Did your board come with weird screws? unless they include special brass standoff with correct pitch I can't install this board.

Looking generally there are unhelpfully *two* standards for motherboard screws and mounts. The UNC 6-32 and 3mm. I'm guessing the choice is influenced by the source country and expected market.

If you look on amazon/ebay there are motherboard standoffs sold with 6-32 male for the case, and 3mm female for the board. That's a solution. Do double check that your existing standoffs are 6-32 female though.

 

[HaoSs]

Quick question for all with the cwwk board. Just booted up and I'm in the bios but.. I have no CPU fan spin, is this normal? If I plug in a sysfan header I get spin.

Edirt. NVM, it seems it started spining once I booted into an OS. It was strange because is the first time seeing no CPU fan spin on a PC at boot

 

[Losco]

Looking generally there are unhelpfully *two* standards for motherboard screws and mounts. The UNC 6-32 and 3mm. I'm guessing the choice is influenced by the source country and expected market.

If you look on amazon/ebay there are motherboard standoffs sold with 6-32 male for the case, and 3mm female for the board. That's a solution. Do double check that your existing standoffs are 6-32 female though.

I think bigger problem is that MB mounting hole does not accept 6-32 size screw. if it was slightly wider I could use whatever screw I have.

Also CWWK told me to eat shit and send them $50 to ship correct I/O shield to me, so now I have to go through Aliexpress dispute...

 

[HaoSs]

damn, 50$ to ship an i/o shield makes 0 sense, mine came with the correct i/o shield, and the screws that came with the MB work just fine with the N3 "normal" stands.

 

[Losco]

My experience with CWWK's AliExpress shop was pretty terrible; item not in stock but they told me it will ship in 3 days, actually took them over a 10 days. Also got a fake tracking number so order does not get auto-cancelled, and got lied that item shipped.

 

[KevinR]

I think bigger problem is that MB mounting hole does not accept 6-32 size screw. if it was slightly wider I could use whatever screw I have.

Also CWWK told me to eat shit and send them $50 to ship correct I/O shield to me, so now I have to go through Aliexpress dispute...

Well you'd still need the standoffs to have the same thread as the screw. Others have implied that the Jonsbo cases actually expect M3. If so all is OK. If not you need the adaptive standoffs from somewhere.

That seems a very poor attitude from the seller. After all it can't have cost them that to send the whole board! For cross checking which site/seller did you use? On Ali there's a "cwwk store" and a "cwwk pc store" as well as umpteen resellers. I've not been able to work out if either is really cwwk direct. There's also cwwk.net which might be them directly.

 

[KevinR]

Quick question for all with the cwwk board. Just booted up and I'm in the bios but.. I have no CPU fan spin, is this normal? If I plug in a sysfan header I get spin.

Edirt. NVM, it seems it started spining once I booted into an OS. It was strange because is the first time seeing no CPU fan spin on a PC at boot

Interesting. The N100 especially can throttle so low the heatsink might be enough.

There were some other chinese units that had the opposite effect the fan and maybe the cpu were flat out max while in the bios. Could toast it out just changing the boot sequence.

 

[Losco]

Well you'd still need the standoffs to have the same thread as the screw. Others have implied that the Jonsbo cases actually expect M3. If so all is OK. If not you need the adaptive standoffs from somewhere.

That seems a very poor attitude from the seller. After all it can't have cost them that to send the whole board! For cross checking which site/seller did you use? On Ali there's a "cwwk store" and a "cwwk pc store" as well as umpteen resellers. I've not been able to work out if either is really cwwk direct. There's also cwwk.net which might be them directly.

in my 30 years of PC hobby, not a once I saw case standoff with M3 pitch. BUT!, it still should not be an issue if MB mounting hole diameter is wide enough that either M3/6-32 screw can be used. This board forces you to use M3.
My Jonsbo N2 case standoff is 6-32. I kinda forced M3 screw in but not hard enough to cross-thread it.
Should not be an issue due to MB orientation in N2 case.
Here's the link to the top of their page, it looks official but who knows.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1100297248?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_feedback.pcShopHead_2002015651855.0

 

[houstek]

I just received my card and the Thermalright AXP90-X36 heatsink. But assembly is impossible because of the 4 capacitors which come up against the base of the radiator. Is only the Jonsbo HP400 compatible with this motherboard?

 

[Rink]

I have the purple CW-NAS-ADLN-K board. I ordered the fan option with it, installed the fan, added 32GB of Corsair Vengeance 4800 DDR5 memory, Be Quiet L11-400W PSU.

When I power it on, you can hear the fan and... nothing shows. Monitor gets no signal.

Tried HDMI and DP. Swapped PSU to an old Be Quiet SU7-300W. Still nothing. Removed the battery, waited, reinserted, powered on. Still nothing.

Anyone has a clue what to try next? Is my board DOA?

 

[Kobold81]

I just received my card and the Thermalright AXP90-X36 heatsink. But assembly is impossible because of the 4 capacitors which come up against the base of the radiator. Is only the Jonsbo HP400 compatible with this motherboard?

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Even with the jonsbo there is exactly one possible position to install the heatsink
Even then, the caps are only about 1mm away from the heatsink