12gen N-series Nas motherboard (topton, cwwk, ... )

[janek202]

Do any of these NAS boards support In-Band ECC?

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Alder Lake-N supports it, and Lattepanda Mu and Odroid H4 allow to enable it, but they have other limitations.

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[flapjackboy]

Hi,

Just asking for any advice or help with the CW-ADLN-NAS-v10 board from CWWK. This thread, and the other ones in the forum, have been really helpful so far. I had a blank screen on boot and this post about displayport vs HDMI helped me at least get a the BIOS on screen (when using HDMI).

Neither of the Nvme drives I have installed are recognised in the BIOS. Both drives are m.2 2280, and have been working perfectly fine in other computers. I have tried changing the BIOS setting for the PCIe port to M2, and updating the BIOS and and resetting to default settings. I've still had no luck, and I'm wondering if theres another BIOS setting I'm missing to get these recognised.

The lights on the SSDs themselves come on, so it looks like they have power. At least one drive is PCIe 4.0, and I'm not sure about the other, but I'm wondering if the issue is their PCIe version, even though they should be backward compatible.

Thanks!

 

[HaoSs]

I received the N100 purple ADLN-NAS-K with the ASM1166 chip. It is possible to enable ASPM but then the ASM1166 stops working. Such a bummer

also, what bios are you on ? was checking there website and it seems they have 2 bios versions to download, latest from 19.04.2024 ( i'm 90% sure this is the board 畅网官方网盘 )

 

[yoinked]

The newest version

 

[HTWingNut]

Does anyone have the CW-ADLN-NAS "CWWK N305 NAS Monster Board"? I bought mine from CWWK: CWWK N100/i3-N305 six-bay NAS monster board/4x 2.5G/6x SATA3.0/2x M.2 NVMe/115X radiator ITX board type motherboard

I understand that you can use either the M.2 #2 slot or the PCIe 1x slot, as they share a PCIe lane (although I'm still not sure why they can't be independent). I did do some testing, and some PCIe cards work and some don't.

If anyone else has this board, have you used the PCIe slot? I posed the question to CWWK, and they asked for a video, so I provided them with this video to show it:

I also have an occasional system freeze. But they just say the obvious, "You can't use the second M.2 slot when the PCIe slot is used," and then proceed to say that I need to change my RAM. That should have zero effect on the PCIe slot issue, and I have tried an 8GB, 16GB, and 32GB stick of Crucial RAM with the same result. I have run at least two full passes of MemTest86+ with all three sticks of RAM, and they all pass just fine.

 

[tipsyboo]

Does anyone have the CW-ADLN-NAS "CWWK N305 NAS Monster Board"? I bought mine from CWWK: CWWK N100/i3-N305 six-bay NAS monster board/4x 2.5G/6x SATA3.0/2x M.2 NVMe/115X radiator ITX board type motherboard

I understand that you can use either the M.2 #2 slot or the PCIe 1x slot, as they share a PCIe lane (although I'm still not sure why they can't be independent). I did do some testing, and some PCIe cards work and some don't.

If anyone else has this board, have you used the PCIe slot? I posed the question to CWWK, and they asked for a video, so I provided them with this video to show it:

I also have an occasional system freeze. But they just say the obvious, "You can't use the second M.2 slot when the PCIe slot is used," and then proceed to say that I need to change my RAM. That should have zero effect on the PCIe slot issue, and I have tried an 8GB, 16GB, and 32GB stick of Crucial RAM with the same result. I have run at least two full passes of MemTest86+ with all three sticks of RAM, and they all pass just fine.

Thanks for doing all those tests.
Have the same issue currently - Intel ARC A380 - fans spin but no HDMI output.

Might just have to pick up a gt710 lol...

 

[collelog]

I received the N100 purple ADLN-NAS-K with the ASM1166 chip. It is possible to enable ASPM but then the ASM1166 stops working. Such a bummer

If you are a Linux user, there is a workaround.

Don't mess with the BIOS, just enable ASPM with setpci.

en:users:documentation:aspm [Linux Wireless]

wireless.wiki.kernel.org

Setup requires calculations, but there is a script that skips the calculations.

GitHub - Eivs/enable-aspm

Contribute to Eivs/enable-aspm development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Try this until the BIOS fixes the problem.
I have enabled ASPM on my ASM1166 under UNRAID OS and verified that the drive is recognized.

 

[DougQuaid]

Are you sure that it really works? Did you checked the cpu package c-states and power consumption? My experience is that unless ASPM is enabled in the bios, setpci is not really helpful, because the bios enables ASPM support on pcie root ports, while setpci enables ASPM on the pcie devices.

 

[HaoSs]

Does anyone have the CW-ADLN-NAS "CWWK N305 NAS Monster Board"? I bought mine from CWWK: CWWK N100/i3-N305 six-bay NAS monster board/4x 2.5G/6x SATA3.0/2x M.2 NVMe/115X radiator ITX board type motherboard

I understand that you can use either the M.2 #2 slot or the PCIe 1x slot, as they share a PCIe lane (although I'm still not sure why they can't be independent). I did do some testing, and some PCIe cards work and some don't.

If anyone else has this board, have you used the PCIe slot? I posed the question to CWWK, and they asked for a video, so I provided them with this video to show it:

I also have an occasional system freeze. But they just say the obvious, "You can't use the second M.2 slot when the PCIe slot is used," and then proceed to say that I need to change my RAM. That should have zero effect on the PCIe slot issue, and I have tried an 8GB, 16GB, and 32GB stick of Crucial RAM with the same result. I have run at least two full passes of MemTest86+ with all three sticks of RAM, and they all pass just fine.

Probably because of the way they decided to do the layout and ran out of dedicated lanes for the PCI-e slot to use, they decided to give an OR option but I wouldn't go past a NIC card, some USB's, or some Sata expansion. You are also asking a lot from an x1 slot that has limited bandwidth and power, I'm not surprised it does not work with all the cards. Does that 710 work properly under stress? You may get a full-size low-power card to run (and we are talking about booting) on an x4 slot (MAYBE, even better odds if it has external power) but not on an x1. ( x1 will normally give you 10W of power, x4 25w, and a x16 75W, may be able to push it a little with high-power device setting)

 

[yoinked]

Don't mess with the BIOS, just enable ASPM with setpci.

en:users:documentation:aspm [Linux Wireless]

wireless.wiki.kernel.org

Yes, that was also an idea I had a couple of days ago. It did enable ASPM for the integrated ASM1166 but the C-States were still stuck at C3. Seems like it's only a graphical fix. I tried reloading the ata driver too after force enabling ASPM from linux.

 

[HaoSs]

CWWK 12th Gen i3-N305 N100 2*Intel i226-V 2.5G NAS Motherboard 6*SATA3.0 6-Bay Soft Rout 1*DDR5 4800MHz Firewall ITX Mainboard

cwwk.net

seems they launched it.

 

[HTWingNut]

Probably because of the way they decided to do the layout and ran out of dedicated lanes for the PCI-e slot to use, they decided to give an OR option but I wouldn't go past a NIC card, some USB's, or some Sata expansion. You are also asking a lot from an x1 slot that has limited bandwidth and power, I'm not surprised it does not work with all the cards. Does that 710 work properly under stress? You may get a full-size low-power card to run (and we are talking about booting) on an x4 slot (MAYBE, even better odds if it has external power) but not on an x1. ( x1 will normally give you 10W of power, x4 25w, and a x16 75W, may be able to push it a little with high-power device setting)

All the power comes from the first 11 pins before the key notch, regardless of PCIe lanes used, and should be able to provide up to 75W. Although I believe the PCIe spec calls for PCIe x1 slots to offer max 25W, but it can offer 75W.

BKHD offers a couple boards that I've evaluated that are able to power the GTX 1050 GPU just fine from the 1x slot. Regardless, that doesn't explain why the LSI SAS card or the PCIe to M.2 NVMe adapter don't work. I can appreciate it if it can't support a 75W card, but its inability to support an M.2 adapter or even an SAS adapter makes it pretty worthless.

Not to mention the "CW-NAS-ADLN-K" board supports more or less the same components with 2x 2.5GbE, two M.2 NVMe, one PCIe 4x slot (1x speed I believe), 6x SATA ports. And as far as I'm aware, there are no "either/or" restrictions, and it supports the same CPU's (N100, N305). I'm not sure if it can provide more power or not through the PCIe slot though.

 

[yoinked]

Not to mention the "CW-NAS-ADLN-K" board supports more or less the same components with 2x 2.5GbE, two M.2 NVMe, one PCIe 4x slot (1x speed I believe), 6x SATA ports. And as far as I'm aware, there are no "either/or" restrictions, and it supports the same CPU's (N100, N305). I'm not sure if it can provide more power or not through the PCIe slot though.

The PCIe slot on that board is indeed wired at x4:

2 lanes for 2x Intel i226-V
2 lanes for 2x M.2
4 lanes for PCIe x4 slot
1 lane for ASM1166

 

[HaoSs]

All the power comes from the first 11 pins before the key notch, regardless of PCIe lanes used, and should be able to provide up to 75W. Although I believe the PCIe spec calls for PCIe x1 slots to offer max 25W, but it can offer 75W.

BKHD offers a couple boards that I've evaluated that are able to power the GTX 1050 GPU just fine from the 1x slot. Regardless, that doesn't explain why the LSI SAS card or the PCIe to M.2 NVMe adapter don't work. I can appreciate it if it can't support a 75W card, but its inability to support an M.2 adapter or even an SAS adapter makes it pretty worthless.

Not to mention the "CW-NAS-ADLN-K" board supports more or less the same components with 2x 2.5GbE, two M.2 NVMe, one PCIe 4x slot (1x speed I believe), 6x SATA ports. And as far as I'm aware, there are no "either/or" restrictions, and it supports the same CPU's (N100, N305). I'm not sure if it can provide more power or not through the PCIe slot though.

yah, seems my power table was wrong, the power pins are indeed present on the x1 slot. Anyway, to add to the above, the K variant has extra lanes from -2 intel ports , -1 native sata port, and I belive was mentioned that USB 3.0 comes from lightning connector so -1 lane from USB. So you have 4 extra lanes for the pci-e x4 port.

 

[HTWingNut]

The PCIe slot on that board is indeed wired at x4:

2 lanes for 2x Intel i226-V
2 lanes for 2x M.2
4 lanes for PCIe x4 slot
1 lane for ASM1166

Has this been confirmed anywhere?

 

[HTWingNut]

yah, seems my power table was wrong, the power pins are indeed present on the x1 slot. Anyway, to add to the above, the K variant has extra lanes from -2 intel ports , -1 native sata port, and I belive was mentioned that USB 3.0 comes from lightning connector so -1 lane from USB. So you have 4 extra lanes for the pci-e x4 port.

This board seems too good to be true if it actually provides a full 4x PCI port in addition to the six sata ports, dual M.2 and dual 2.5GbE. I'm going to see if CWWK will exchange my board for this purple one.

 

[yoinked]

I have the board and can confirm that the PCIe lanes are indeed as described

 

[HTWingNut]

I have the board and can confirm that the PCIe lanes are indeed as described

Great, thanks for the confirmation! Can it support a 75W PCIe card?

 

[NinjaHub]

hi all, i recently bought the purple CW-NAS-ALDN-K board with the 8GB RAM and 128GB NVME package. I received the board earlier this week.

however i have problem booting it or installing Ubuntu onto it. System was working fine in BIOS i can check the settings in BIOS move around menu for 20 minutes or so, but once it boot into the default pfsense OS shipped with the SSD, it goes into reboot loop.. I tried to boot from my USB to overwrite the OS with Ubuntu, when system reaches Ubuntu installation screen, it reboots again.

Following some that has suggested in this forum on similar board, i removed and reinsert the CMOS battery but now the system just shows a black screen. i did not even hear the boot buzz/beep now. Any clue what could be the problem? really appreciate some help and direction please

I had both the 24-pin and 4-pin ATX power supply plugged on from my 550W PSU, with a big fat noctua fan from my old PC.

 

[HTWingNut]

hi all, i recently bought the purple CW-NAS-ALDN-K board with the 8GB RAM and 128GB NVME package. I received the board earlier this week.

however i have problem booting it or installing Ubuntu onto it. System was working fine in BIOS i can check the settings in BIOS move around menu for 20 minutes or so, but once it boot into the default pfsense OS shipped with the SSD, it goes into reboot loop.. I tried to boot from my USB to overwrite the OS with Ubuntu, when system reaches Ubuntu installation screen, it reboots again.

Following some that has suggested in this forum on similar board, i removed and reinsert the CMOS battery but now the system just shows a black screen. i did not even hear the boot buzz/beep now. Any clue what could be the problem? really appreciate some help and direction please

I had both the 24-pin and 4-pin ATX power supply plugged on from my 550W PSU, with a big fat noctua fan from my old PC.

With these boards if you ever remove CMOS battery or replace RAM it can take a few minutes to show any signs of life. How long did you wait after you replaced CMOS battery and powered it on?