ES Xeon Discussion

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@nero243 in my experience e5 xeons can boot any ram that is supported by the board.
Had my 1650v3 running gskill trident z a while back, though that wasn't an ES, but i don't think Udimms are the problem.

It is nice to hear that you at least have one that posts, the most recent V3-ES i got to play with was shorted out, Postcode 00 and no Voltage from the VRMs.
To your postcodes, i currently assume that 5X so early in the Post process, before "bX" is something around "no ram detected" and bX should be Ram (init | training). 5X after the bX codes is something i have no clue about.

The last time i tried to boot a V4 Es on an Asus X99 board, it went through into the bios on the first try but after applying defaults, it was stuck somewhere. Probably Microcode related.

Maybe you want to take a look at the Asus Serverboards, Z10Pa /Pe, those, i think, have ES support. You might be able to grab the right modules from there bios.

Depending on where you are located, i could test it for you, or we could exchange or lend hardware. In my Case, EU, Germany.

@joe paolicelli you are right, if they have the crappy paste, it's most likely a dummy i9.
Though since deliding soldered cpus is a bit different then the i9s, i'm pretty sure you'd kill your sample in case that it is a soldered xeon W.

I prefer the Supermico c422.
I will check my two blanks for the shade and markings when i get back home this evening.

I run 64 gigs of Gskill Trident Z 3200 in my dual Asrock Rack Workstation board with dual E5-2667 V3 ES cpu's.
 

wildpig1234

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My asrock taichi x99 will boot the QHUZ with ECC or non ECC DDR4 (actually ddr4 laptop sodimm on an adaptor if that makes any difference)......

but the SM X10SRA would not boot up the QHUZ with the said non ECC DRR4 but does boot up the QHUZ if i use ddr4 rdimm.. i thought i read in the manual that says x10 only use non ECC udimm when booting i7 so maybe that's why won't work with xeon cpu when using dimm ?

so question is is the sm board just being a little more picky than the asrock? or is there some thing with the ram sodimm dimm adator?

maybe i need to get a haswell i7 and non-ecc udimm to test?
 

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@wildpig1234 nope, nothing picky with the adaptor or the boards, it's just that way.
All X10 Supermicro boards only take Reg ECC, the same as Asus Z10P*s.
I guess it's a chipset thing.
By the way, nearly all X99 boards take Reg Ecc. just saying.
 

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@wildpig1234 nope, nothing picky with the adaptor or the boards, it's just that way.
All X10 Supermicro boards only take Reg ECC, the same as Asus Z10P*s.
I guess it's a chipset thing.
By the way, nearly all X99 boards take Reg Ecc. just saying.
So for the SM x10sra, the non ecc dimm would only work if you are runnning i7? i was going to get an i7 but they are still all expensive and above $100
 

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@wildpig1234 according the web page, yes, udimms only with i7s.
so i guess the asrock x99 is still a notch better since it will let you use non ecc udimm with the QHUZ xeon cpu while the sm x10 didn't... but i am wondering if asrock will let you use ecc rdimm with i7...

i am tempted to get an i7 just to test out these points, but hate to spend $150 on a low end single cpu only haswell, part that only have 6 cores.... maybe i should look on the brighter side that these are usually very overclockable?
 

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@wildpig1234 no Reg Ecc with any i7. That'd be Intels fault and not Asrock.
Maybe Unbufered Ecc, but not Registered!
I will have to go back to my asus p9x79 mb and recheck that.. i thought i got i7-3930k to run with 4gb rdimm ecc ddr3 but maybe i was mistaken... maybe intel got stricter for haswell/broadwell..
 

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@wildpig1234 X79 might support Reg ecc in some cases, though not in general and with all and every Dimm.
Tried 16GB reg ecc on an Asus Rampage iv Formula and a Xeon that wouldn't have been the problem.

Yes Intel got stricter with Haswell and even more on Broadwell, though they got less strickt with X99 since it not supporting Reg Ecc seems to be the exception.
 

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I'm trying to buy the E5 1680 V3 mainly for gaming but also run a few vms in the background. They're still fairly expensive at $700 on eBay. Do you think this is worthwhile (I already have a spare x99a msi gaming mb) or buy a different desktop CPU like a used i7 6950x?

I am trying to avoid desktop PC's for overclocking considering that they are not soldered until the recent release.
 

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Well, since the 1660V3 and 1680V3 are both 8Core 16thread cpus, i suggest you expand your search to also include the 1660.
I think i have seen one for around 500 a short while ago.

But if you can get a 6950X for the same amount of money, Broadwell is superior and 2 cores 4 threads more.

What Ram do you plan on using?
 

foureight84

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Well, since the 1660V3 and 1680V3 are both 8Core 16thread cpus, i suggest you expand your search to also include the 1660.
I think i have seen one for around 500 a short while ago.

But if you can get a 6950X for the same amount of money, Broadwell is superior and 2 cores 4 threads more.

What Ram do you plan on using?
I was planning on non-ecc. I could save money by going with a 1660 V3 or 1680 V3 and stick to 2133/2400 considering it can't support anything faster than 2133. I am planning on doing a lot of overclocking. I was staying away from 1660 V3 since I thought the latter would yield higher oc.
 

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The multipliers should be unlocked on both, so you should be able to set the Ram freq to more then the rated speeds, similarly to any i7.
Since you aren't limited by Ram or platform, go for whats cheaper or better, yields best price to performance.
if you can get a 6950x for less then what you'd pay for the 1680v3, go for the i7.
 
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The multipliers should be unlocked on both, so you should be able to set the Ram freq to more then the rated speeds, similarly to any i7.
Since you aren't limited by Ram or platform, go for whats cheaper or better, yields best price to performance.
if you can get a 6950x for less then what you'd pay for the 1680v3, go for the i7.
Thanks for the advice! I took your advice and bought a 1660 V3 for $400. Save $300 with the asking price of all of the 1680 V3 and 6950x available .
 

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The multipliers should be unlocked on both, so you should be able to set the Ram freq to more then the rated speeds, similarly to any i7.
Since you aren't limited by Ram or platform, go for whats cheaper or better, yields best price to performance.
if you can get a 6950x for less then what you'd pay for the 1680v3, go for the i7.
Wait that second part about the ram. DDR4 3400 is possible with the 1660 V3 and 1680 V3?
 

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@foureight84 i assume so, and i'm pretty certain. I myself do have a 1650V3 which is unlocked and the Ram multi is also unlocked making at least 3200mhz possible. Since the 1660 and 1680 are also unlocked, i assume that Ram will also be unlocked.
 
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@foureight84 i assume so, and i'm pretty certain. I myself do have a 1650V3 which is unlocked and and the Ram multi is also unlocked making at least 3200mhz possible. Since the 1660 and 1680 are also unlocked, i assume that Ram will also be unlocked.
That is freaking fantastic! And also expensive! But worth it.

I'm gonna sell my dual 2667v3 and 64gb ecc ram along with my asus z10pe-d8 soon.
 

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I'm trying to buy the E5 1680 V3 mainly for gaming but also run a few vms in the background. They're still fairly expensive at $700 on eBay. Do you think this is worthwhile (I already have a spare x99a msi gaming mb) or buy a different desktop CPU like a used i7 6950x?

I am trying to avoid desktop PC's for overclocking considering that they are not soldered until the recent release.
Ever consider v2 parts? something like e5-2667 v2 ;)