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Civiloid

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After this i will buy cpu from ebay.
Just keep in mind, that unless ES/QS have same stepping as production version of CPU nobody will be able to guarantee you that it won't have grave bugs or that it would work reliably for any amount of time. E0 and E5 are differs by 5 minor revisions and there were bugs fixed between them, just nobody(?) figured out what they were or those who did have NDA signed with some one that prevents them from talking about that (in most big tech companies you probably would have people who seen the list of fixed bugs)
 
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RolloZ170

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Just keep in mind, that unless ES/QS have same stepping as production version of CPU nobody will be able to guarantee you that it won't have grave bugs or that it would work reliably for any amount of time. E0 and E5 are differs by 5 minor revisions and there were bugs fixed between them, just nobody(?) figured out what they were or those who did have NDA signed with some one that prevents them from talking about that (in most big tech companies you probably would have people who seen the list of fixed bugs)
nobody expects early engineering samples to be free of bugs,while prod.units still have some.
If no one tries, no one can know.
those who buy such cannot afford a production unit.
 

Civiloid

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those who buy such cannot afford a production unit.
Yeah, I probably misunderstood what he meant. Sorry.

But basically yeah, I agree with what you said, just still worth reminding so people shouldn't try to use it in production or if they are - they should prepare for all kind of problems. Also I still wonder if people already found some behavioral difference between D0, E0, E3 and E5 steppings?
 

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understand, such thing's like 1044 days AMD EPYC timer bug LOL. sorry, couldn't resist.
Your. Or like Avoton's AVR54 bug. Just with early ES - more than usual, probably :)

P.S. I also should get my Gigabyte MS73 and 8490 ESs next week, and we'll see if NH-U12S would fit it :)
 

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Intel spent a year fixing bugs from E0 to E5. I'm guessing it's mostly accelerator bugs.

The price of prod units is catastrophic. but If ES is used, and any problems arise you will ask yourself: Is that an ES problem? No one can answer you, unless you can debug with the prod unit.

I have an E0 ES, but I can't evaluate it because I don't have a prod unit.
 
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