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zorg33

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check the step 4, E0 steppings, costs a little more but much better compatibility.
Q0KL i.e.
and did somebody test Asrock Spc741d8 if bios can be modded? (i know its single socket, but "very" cheap)

UPDATE: it has only ucode for 6F8, but does the board accept modded BIOS?
UPDATE2: With MC Extractor there are all ucodes 6F4, 6F5, 6F6, 6F8, so E0 earliest by stock BIOS, but can it be modded?
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What are the motherboard options now for the LGA4189 Ice Lake stepping C0 or stepping L0 ES CPUs? From this thread it appears that SuperMicro is a no go unless it's BIOS revision 1.0, except maybe X12DPi-N6 up to 1.1b? What about Gigabyte or ASUS?

I have an ASRock Rack SPCC621D8 and the C0/L0 ES CPUs work on BIOS 1.20 and 1.23, but nothing after that.

Looking for some guidance, thanks!
 

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UPDATE2: With MC Extractor there are all ucodes 6F4, 6F5, 6F6, 6F8, so E0 earliest by stock BIOS, but can it be modded?
as you can see on the ASRock Rack SPC621 series at some BIOS rev.
nonPRD stepping ES stopped working(not started by ME), but the microcodes are still there.
you can expect similar on SPC741 series.
edit(02.03.2025) SPC741 BIOS can be modded to run ES.

there is only one way to find out !
i usualy buy motherboards and test/check this,
but i am out after buying X13SEI, ASUS W790 and GB MS33-AR0 (buy and sell with loss of money)
 
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What about Gigabyte or ASUS?
I have an ASRock Rack SPCC621D8 and the C0/L0 ES CPUs work on BIOS 1.20 and 1.23, but nothing after that.
ASUS do not have retail LGA4189 boards???.
Gigabyte MU72 can run step 4/5 ES up to some BIOS.
i got a cheap QWAT($199usd), runs on X12SPM-LN4F BIOS 1.6. i can stop now thinking about BIOS versions.
have now QVM7 for sale :cool:
 

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ICX ES QVM8 runs on Gigabyte MU72-SU0 and the latest bios F23.Gigabyte retains support for non-PRD steps

Should I use D0 ES to make it better?They're cheap now
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QVM8 (C0) ES2 is as good as (D0) ES2 but mostly more power
No!I just had a fatal screen freeze, the keyboard and mouse screen was unresponsive, the audio continued to play, and the bmc and OS logs didn't give me any reports after the reset

All bios is the default. They have been running normally for 48 hours,I'll try to find the problem before I return it
 
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No!I just had a fatal screen freeze, the keyboard and mouse screen was unresponsive, the audio continued to play, and the bmc and system logs didn't give me any reports after the reset

All bios is the default. They have been running normally for 48 hours
and you are sure that's ES issue ? have seen many reports like this with retail processors.
 

MillionMiles

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if you want them to run on every motherboard step 6 D0 is your choice of course.
ES1 have the issue of loosing memory channels over time.
Very interesting, this es1 QV2G has been working for almost a year without problems (seller said),I'll replace it, all mem channels are good
Yes, anything can happen ,everything goes against the grain

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Because I holding it, I bought it at an extremely low price and it looked very bad, it even rusted
ok. and it is not finaly clear what the reason for loosing mem.channels really is.
some say it is silicon issue, other say it's due to the lack of "lack"
means intel does not sealed the DIE to the PCB, result in a corrodive of soldering.
 

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I've got a feeling that my Gen4 Xeon 8461V QS just got fried on X13DEI, all of a sudden started throwing critical errors after each 15-20 minutes in Windows 11 (ending with "clock watchdog timeout" BSOD) and after 5 minutes in BIOS (BIOS was just freezing), I've disconnected all possible devices (incl Sound, VGA, USB, etc.), reset bios, reinstalled windows, left only single RAM, resocketed CPU, all PSU cables, all the same..
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I guess will have to ditch Sapphire Rapids platform in the end and go with regular customer grade products.

TBH partially likely my fault, was relocating MCIO-to-SFF8654 cable/board with NVME drives and CPU fan cable has halted CPU1 (stuck in blades), eventually it has overheated.
I would expect thermal event to be kicked in with automatic throttling and emergency shutdown in worst case but it feels like this safety architecture elements might not be the strongest part of Sapphire Rapids for some reasons.

Will try to use slower drives as current one het really hot for some strange reasons too.

Update:
P.S. most likely this is a false alarm, if I use SATA drive then everything works just fine (passes native Intel Processor Diagnostics tests, CPU-Z benchmarks, HWInfo64, not crashing for hours, etc.), therefore I assume there's something with NVMe drives configuration (used different ones Micron/WD and on different slots), those are rapidly getting very hot, so probably some sort of issue with system waiting for response while drive is throttling down and system reports critical device timeout (while Windows was installed on those drives) or something.
Therefore will look for proper heatsink/cooling of NVMe controllers.
I've even plugged other devices into M.2 slots like WiFi/AX210 via M-key to A/E-key adapter and M.2 USB3 adapter (originally bought to be used in 2 slow x2 lanes slots going via PCH/C741) - those devices worked without causing any troubles.

Apologies for a slight negativity towards SPR. and bringing this into Xeon/ES area.
 
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I've seen about a month ago some QS reviews/benchmarks
were published from user labs on Emerald Rapids Xeons,
We have 2 weeks left until release,

has anyone seen already those ES/QS available on a broader second-hand markets yet?

With up to +40% performance gain and x16 channel memory
(although I'm locked to x8 with my 2S MB) on 5th gen (Raptor Cove)
vs Sapphire Rapids (Golden Cove) as well as "performance per watt" improvements
I'm not sure it's worth upgrading my 1S QS SPR cpu to same 2S 4th gen anymore,
feels like it would be a waste of money for nothing with current prices.
 
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