Advice on Future-proofing Home Switch

[cyanchan15]

After browsing the Brocade mega thread, I just came across a deal for a pre-owned ICX 7150 48ZP (datasheet here). While non-Z models of 7150 usually come at ~$300-400 in my area, this 48ZP is $2800.
I need you genius’ advice on whether I should get 48ZP model for home. I can think of future-proofing mainly and better utilizing my Panduit cat6A cabling that costs a ton of $$
My current setup:
ICX 7250 (EOL’ed in 2020?), 8 APs (a mix of Ruckus R750 R710 and H510), 1 storage server (connected using SFP+ anyway), 7 cameras and 1 OpenWRT firewall/router box.
Pros:
1. 16 of 48 ports are 100/1000/2.5g the rest are regular 10/100/1000. R750 has 2.5g port with future Wifi 7 products coming with 2.5g ports as well so that’s a big plus.
2. PoH/uPoE support. Though now even Ruckus R750s are satisfied with PoE+ but who knows.
Cons:
1. About 10x the cost.
2. Only one step into multi gig world. Heck, I mean the PC I built two years ago has 1/2.5/5/10g NIC.
3.Redundant PSU on the 48ZP going wasted.

 

[sth]

The 7650-48zp is a better unit I think, $2100 at Ruckus ICX7650-48ZP-E2 48-Ports Manageable 3 Layer Switch | eBay
Ive used one for 4 years without issue with both 2.5gbps and 5gbps backhauls toR750/R850 APs.
Only downsides other than cost (I recall paid $6k) is noise and power consumption.

 

[i386]

I upgrade my network faster than my servers at home, not sure how it would be possible to future proof the networking stuff

 

[Rand__]

I oogled the ZP's as well but imho pricing is ridiculous.

O/c I have to say my enthusiasm for Ruckus switches has cooled a bit after looking closer at power draw to (required) functionality ratio, (i.e. I replaced a 7450-48p with a 7450-24 and a 7150-C12p and come out ahead power wise, i was paying dearly for unused capabilities), so I'd recommend to look closely at your actual needs and how realistically it is that you need any of the free capacity/capabilities in the near future (5yrs)..

As I mentioned I decided to use two switches for a similar setup (less then 10 PoE devices though), a 7450-24 and C12p/ a Cisco sg350x-8pmd on each side of my split setup.
It totally depends on what you need - there's a ton of cheap poe switches with 2.5G out there. Less if you need management capabilities or advanced features o/c.

Can you really utiilise 2.5G on the AP's? That not reached for a single user usually. Do you need that for the cameras? Are you happy with a >100W power draw for basic switching (+PoE o/c) ...

 

[sic0048]

IMHO, when it comes to physical hardware, "Future Proofing" is just another way of saying, "I overpaid because I had to be on the cutting edge of technology and I couldn't even implement the new functionality in my situation." Technology is always changing and prices are always dropping, so I think it is silly to "future proof" your physical hardware. As such there is no way I would be buying that switch for my home.

There are plenty of 10gb and better switches out there for a lot less money. The 2.5gb certainly is currently more expensive to implement, but other than the wireless APs, I'd expect everyone would skip right to 10gb (or better) networking anyway because it's faster and cheaper. If I was in your shoes and currently had wireless APs with 2.5gb, I'd skip that switch and buy one of the small 2.5gb switches that STH has been reviewing. Something managed with 4-5x 2.5gb ports and a couple 10gb ports for trunking. There was one or two that met this criteria. I'd use the 2.5gb switch in combination with one or more of the plentiful and cheaper switches that offer 10gb or better.

If I didn't have an immediate need for 2.5gb right now, I wouldn't buy anything that has 2.5gb capabilities. 2.5gb prices will continue to drop and more choices will continue to be produced.

 

[hmw]

The 7650-48zp is a better unit I think, $2100 at Ruckus ICX7650-48ZP-E2 48-Ports Manageable 3 Layer Switch | eBay
Ive used one for 4 years without issue with both 2.5gbps and 5gbps backhauls toR750/R850 APs.
Only downsides other than cost (I recall paid $6k) is noise and power consumption.

How noisy is it compared to say the ICX6610? Do the fans ramp down? I saw from the 7650 tech docs that the low limit/high limit temps for the 48ZP are 43C / 51C and that for the non ZP version are 46C / 54C so I am guessing the ZP version runs its fans much harder?

As for power consumption - I have a Ubiquiti XG24 and a Netgear MS 510 TXP and together they draw 50W + 50W. Is the idle power in that range or an order of magnitude more?

 

[sth]

The fans do ramp down to what I would say were subjectively noticeably louder levels. I never measured them though. In practice is doesn't matter to me because my equipment is in a soundproofed equipment closet. It's not unbearable to work in there with it though. I'm sure you could MacGyver some silent fans in, but it's an expensive switch and this may not be so desirable at the price point.
I would guess idle power draw is about 100-120W. I measure it when I got it but that was a few years back and I can't find those notes at the moment.

 

[hmw]

The fans do ramp down to what I would say were subjectively noticeably louder levels. I never measured them though. In practice is doesn't matter to me because my equipment is in a soundproofed equipment closet. It's not unbearable to work in there with it though. I'm sure you could MacGyver some silent fans in, but it's an expensive switch and this may not be so desirable at the price point.
I would guess idle power draw is about 100-120W. I measure it when I got it but that was a few years back and I can't find those notes at the moment.

Thanks sth, I managed to snag one off eBay for $1200. My problem with the Ubiquiti was that it’s not true L3 and relied on having a software controller. The L3 routing also means that my OPNsense box does a lot of things -which is something I’d rather stay away from

I’ve decided therefore to get rid of the XG24 and my Unifi Mesh6 APs and go for the ICX and a couple of the R750s instead.

I like the idea of soundproofing the rack cabinet - that’s something I need to look into

 

[cyanchan15]

The 7650-48zp is a better unit I think, $2100 at Ruckus ICX7650-48ZP-E2 48-Ports Manageable 3 Layer Switch | eBay
Ive used one for 4 years without issue with both 2.5gbps and 5gbps backhauls toR750/R850 APs.
Only downsides other than cost (I recall paid $6k) is noise and power consumption.

I was able to get one. $2100 + roughly $500 for shipping and custom tariff still beats the icx7150 48zp I initially looked at.
Did you use two PSUs and fans?

 

[hmw]

I was able to get one. $2100 + roughly $500 for shipping and custom tariff still beats the icx7150 48zp I initially looked at.
Did you use two PSUs and fans?

They're available for $1200 + shipping ($70) - came with 2 Rev A PSUs though. Which is fine because for whatever reason I have 4 Rev B/C PSUs

 

[LodeRunner]

They're available for $1200 + shipping ($70) - came with 2 Rev A PSUs though. Which is fine because for whatever reason I have 4 Rev B/C PSUs

Mind PM'ing a link to $1200? Or are they all gone at that price? I couldn't find anything under the $2100 mark.

Edit, never mind, found one; wasn't in previous result set, for no reason I can figure since I was searching for 7650 ordered by lowest price.

 

[Siman]

IMHO used quanta equipment has some of the best switches for the $, though they are power hungry... got my 24 port SFP+ LB6 for 115 years ago, it's my core/backbone. A few 48 port SFP+ LB8s for my TOR switches for 300ish each. My two access switches are now LB9s, formally had LB4m switches... Virtualized a PFSense router on my proxmox cluster.

 

[cyanchan15]

They're available for $1200 + shipping ($70) - came with 2 Rev A PSUs though. Which is fine because for whatever reason I have 4 Rev B/C PSUs

Side question: are you able to get the icx7650 rear ports running at 10gb? It has no SFP+ ports unless getting a 4x10gf module which costs another 500$… ahh this hobby is getting expensive

 

[sth]

Rear ports are 4x40G or 2x100G QSFP ports. The front slot can be used for a 100G or 2x40G or 4x10G module. I don't think the rears will sync at 10gbps. Can you convert the other end of your desired SFP+ connection to copper and just use a regular 10gbps copper port?

 

[EngChiSTH]

After browsing the Brocade mega thread, I just came across a deal for a pre-owned ICX 7150 48ZP (datasheet here). While non-Z models of 7150 usually come at ~$300-400 in my area, this 48ZP is $2800.
I need you genius’ advice on whether I should get 48ZP model for home. I can think of future-proofing mainly and better utilizing my Panduit cat6A cabling that costs a ton of $$
My current setup:
ICX 7250 (EOL’ed in 2020?), 8 APs (a mix of Ruckus R750 R710 and H510), 1 storage server (connected using SFP+ anyway), 7 cameras and 1 OpenWRT firewall/router box.

Not sure of any benefit of 'future-proofing' here - what additional capabilities you are gaining that you not already having? and why does EOL matter for home hardware ?
this is a hobby, so i would be the last to judge anyone spending on what they want. in your specific case, to me, there is zero reasons to make the switch in switch however YMMV