1U Supermicro Server 6x 10GBE RJ45 X10SLH-LN6TF LGA 1150 H3 X10SLH-N6-ST031

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Tomket

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that's impressive. might as well make a bracket for the CPU as well :) Although it might get some incidental airflow from those little 40mm guys.
You must read my mind :D so I will work on it (There is model which I want remix [from dual 80mm to one 120mm fan]. it is for socket 2011...).
I will measure it and remade :cool:

1) 120mm is too big, so extra air-flow use to cool ram?

2) add air tunel between cpu cooler and chip cooler? (It can cause air currents to collide?...idk...I can try it) = Maybe the simple solution is buy se second hand cpu cooler.

- I will have MB in my "old" Be quiet dark base pro 900 = prefer second hand big block cooler

3) I read this brochure, it may be posible little modify and use same model.

What I will remade/remix:
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p.s.: Sorry for my bad English, Eng. is not my native language...
 

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What I will remade/remix:
Sorry for the absolute mess I made of that FreeCAD file, I was experimenting a bit with how to arrange things and it ended up badly. You're probably better off starting from scratch and using just one 80 or 92mm fan.
 
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Well I test fitted one of my left over sample prints of the LGA2011 duct on my X10SLH and it was close enough to motivate me to try to adapt my model. I haven't tested it yet, and I probably won't until I figure out what to do with this board (I bought it just for the 1U chassis it came in,) but I can probably tweak it if anyone has feedback.

Note there's one model for M4 hex nuts and one for #6-32 thread inserts, pick the one that matches your available hardware.

 
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I just got a chassis with one of these in, I don't need the board or CPU. Do these boards use a lot of idle power? I could do with a new board in my secondary TrueNAS box, but I don't need 6 x 10GbE
 
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I just got a chassis with one of these in, I don't need the board or CPU. Do these boards use a lot of idle power? I could do with a new board in my secondary TrueNAS box, but I don't need 6 x 10GbE
It was answered in the middle of this megathread, but yes the boards use a lot of power. by a "lot" i mean it's never going to go below 60W usage when idle, no matter what CPU or operating system you use. My pet theory is it's the IPMI or more likely the PLX PCI switch guzzling the energy.

which is a pity becuase the board was fun as hell. I retired mine due to electricity cost (and lack of 2.5g support) and got a mini pc as a router.
 
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It was answered in the middle of this megathread, but yes the boards use a lot of power. by a "lot" i mean it's never going to go below 60W usage when idle, no matter what CPU or operating system you use. My pet theory is it's the IPMI or more likely the PLX PCI switch guzzling the energy.

which is a pity becuase the board was fun as hell. I retired mine due to electricity cost (and lack of 2.5g support) and got a mini pc as a router.
IIRC, I think you can get the power usage down a little bit more by disabling 10Gb ports via dip switch. Am I remembering it wrong?
 
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Hello, I found this article around March because I accidentally came across an announcement selling this motherboard. After researching, I ordered a board from the US to Europe. I've read through each page but haven't seen anyone with a BIOS version that works with the E3 1200v4 series like the E3 1265L v4 or E3 1285L v4. I wonder if anyone here has succeeded in running the E3 12xx v4 CPU? Thank you.
 
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Hello, I found this article around March because I accidentally came across an announcement selling this motherboard. After researching, I ordered a board from the US to Europe. I've read through each page but haven't seen anyone with a BIOS version that works with the E3 1200v4 series like the E3 1265L v4 or E3 1285L v4. I wonder if anyone here has succeeded in running the E3 12xx v4 CPU? Thank you.
pretty sure everyone has been stuck with xeon v3
 
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Hi. I bought one of these (the CSE-515 chassis) populated with 16 GB and 4 x 2TB 7200 rpm drives from mntechnology (a vendor I highly recommend) last December for $150/free shipping. I immediately set it up with RAID 1 and have been using it as a Debian 12 server ever since.

Like others on this old thread I have been struggling with lowering power consumption. I have disabled 2 out of three of the 10GB controllers, with little effect either on the amp-clamp hanging off the power cord or the ipmicfg - reported power. The lowest I can get is 98 Watts.

I have been taking the hit on the electric bill because the damn thing is so smooth, fast and reliable.

I have read this thread from beginning to end and have come across several references to enabling/disabling IPMI, but I can't figure out how to do it. If there is a permanently-connected jumper or a BIOS setting I cannot find it.

Has anyone ever figured out how to disable the IPMI/BMC?
 

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Hi. I bought one of these (the CSE-515 chassis) populated with 16 GB and 4 x 2TB 7200 rpm drives from mntechnology (a vendor I highly recommend) last December for $150/free shipping. I immediately set it up with RAID 1 and have been using it as a Debian 12 server ever since.

Like others on this old thread I have been struggling with lowering power consumption. I have disabled 2 out of three of the 10GB controllers, with little effect either on the amp-clamp hanging off the power cord or the ipmicfg - reported power. The lowest I can get is 98 Watts.

I have been taking the hit on the electric bill because the damn thing is so smooth, fast and reliable.

I have read this thread from beginning to end and have come across several references to enabling/disabling IPMI, but I can't figure out how to do it. If there is a permanently-connected jumper or a BIOS setting I cannot find it.

Has anyone ever figured out how to disable the IPMI/BMC?
You need to use a Power Analyser / Power Meter / "Kill A Watt" in order to measure Power Consumption on the AC side.

You (at least as a Private Customer) typically do NOT pay for Reactive or Apparent Power, you pay only for the Active Power: U * I * cos_phi.

So Measuring the Current and Voltage Separately (even at the same Time) is not accurate at all in terms of what you pay, since there will be some phase Shift, even if most PSUs nowadays have a decent Power Factor (Active PFC) at a "reasonable" Load.

Especially at no-load/low-load/standby (only IPMI/BMC), you will have a lot of Reactive Power in proportion to the Active Power you consume.

You can also consider switching to a more efficient (and low-power) PSU, PSUs aren't very efficient at all at low-Load (say 5% ... 10%), best would be to load it to say 30% ... 50% (not more unless you want super noisy Fans). Depends also if you have lots of HDDs that need to spin up at the same Time though.

About disabling BMC ... I Googled a bit around but didn't found much on it :(. I would have expected a Jumper (or possibly a BIOS Setting), but I couldn't find anything in the X10SLH-F Manual (the X10SLH-LN6TF Manual is not available).
 
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I discovered that setting both jumpers jpme1 and jpme2 to 2-3 disables IPMI. On my system, which has the RAID card, I had to get in with a pair of long thin needle noses to access these jumpers. VGA works, one can get into bios with the del key, and the OS boots. ipmicfg and ipmitool report nothing, and the IPMI RJ45 port cannot be connected to. BUT power consumption is unchanged, as reported by my trusty amp-clamp, which I have to believe is accurate unless somebody can convince me that a switching power supply has a power factor significantly below 1.0. See https://www.supermicro.com/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=16448 although it is not clear to me what the relationship is , if any, between Intel Management Engine and BMC/IPMI.
 
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Management engine is something built Into Intel CPUs I believe.


The ipmi bmc is an aspeed 2400 which is a different beast
 
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Management engine is something built Into Intel CPUs I believe.


The ipmi bmc is an aspeed 2400 which is a different beast
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Exactly. So why should jumpers jpme1 and jpme2, which, according to the link I posted above and other similar links on Supermicro support, are supposed to disable IME, have anything to do with BMC/IPMI? But those jumpers can certainly be used to disable IPMI, as described above.
 
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Can you connect to IPMI through the OS directly, as opposed to the network? I haven't used this platform much, but on other Supermicro Xeon boards the BMC handles some critical functions like controlling fan speeds, so they usually can't be shut off. You can try measuring power consumption with the machine turned off, the BMC should be a pretty measurable 8-10W if it's active in that state.
 
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I discovered that setting both jumpers jpme1 and jpme2 to 2-3 disables IPMI. On my system, which has the RAID card, I had to get in with a pair of long thin needle noses to access these jumpers. VGA works, one can get into bios with the del key, and the OS boots. ipmicfg and ipmitool report nothing, and the IPMI RJ45 port cannot be connected to. BUT power consumption is unchanged, as reported by my trusty amp-clamp, which I have to believe is accurate unless somebody can convince me that a switching power supply has a power factor significantly below 1.0. See https://www.supermicro.com/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=16448 although it is not clear to me what the relationship is , if any, between Intel Management Engine and BMC/IPMI.
Sure, any day of the Week ;). Even though I'm not a PFC Expert, I am regularly working with Power Converters. As I always need to stress to everybody: don't believe the Marketing Hype ! An Operating Point and Performance has to be specified at a PRECISELY Defined Operating Point. MANY Parameters are involved in that. Grid Voltage. DC-Link Voltage. Switching Frequency. AC/DC Load. Auxiliary Consumption. Reactive Power (if Active Front-End on AC side). Temperature. Etc. Otherwise it's just Marketing like "up to 95%" Efficiency or "from xxxx $". And in reality at YOUR operating point you might get 3x worse Performances for 3x higher Price ;).

You might want to look into LED Lightbulps for one. Let's have a talk about Power Factor there, because that's probably as bad as it gets (for the Grid or if you have any Contactor/Relay/Breaker/Fuse installed), that's a very nice Capacitive Load that can lead to Contactors Welding or Breaker/Fuse tripping on Inrush (> 10x Nominal Current). Or cheap Mean Well AC/DC PSUs or other "cheap" (reasonably Priced) Manufacturers for 25-300W PSUs. Same for your Phone Charger or Laptop AC Adapter for that Matter, especially at low Load. Tell me about your Power Factor there. And don't mind an Inverter-based Heatpump, those do not even have Active PFC, here in Europe most are just standard 3ph Diode Bridge Rectifiers (although PF for 3ph Systems is already much Better).

Also remember ... Power Factor != cos_phi. Power Factor is cos_phi multiplied by the THD !

For ATX Power Supplies, while there is usually Passive PFC (mostly on old Designs - filters are Expensive and Bulky after all) or Active PFC, the question is: at which AC Voltage you are Operating and at which Load you are Operating.

I just gave it a try right now to prove my Point to you. Seasonic SSR-1000PD Active PFC F3 PRIME ULTRA PLATINUM 1000W PSU. 80+ Platinum. 230 VAC. Load 30-40W measured on AC side (3-4% or Rated Power) when AMD 5950x is idling on low Power, same for the GPU. The Kill-A-Watt meter is fluctuating between 0.37 and 1.00 Power Factor, oscillating quite a lot whenever the Load (slightly) Changes. Simply because it's very difficult to take a sinusoidal input current (and precisely measure / calculate the required Current) at such low load and there is not enough discharge of the High-Voltage side DC-Link / Capacitors in order to do that. Instead it's probably periodically "pumping" some current in order to recharge the Capacitor.

(It would probably be better to use something like an Eastron SDM 120 or even Eastron SDM 630 or just put a scope with Differential Voltage Probe and Current Probe to get a better Measurement though)

There is a PFC Circuit, yes, but the sizing of it is (probably) made on the Assumption that you are at least at 20%+ Load or something like that.

Then, what happens if (your PFC Transistor Switching Frequency being constant), your Input Current is so small (compared to the Design Operating Point) that you go into Discontinuous Conduction mode ?

Take a Look here to see the Waveforms or even more of them. But if now the PFC Ripple becomes large compared to the average Input Current required by the Load, then you hit Discontinuous Conduction Mode (the border case is described in the Figure on the Right side in the 2nd Link). And you obviously do NOT want the PFC to increase the Switching Frequency at low Load, that would thrash the Efficiency completely !

115 VAC is easier than 230 VAC to always boost (you definitively do NOT want to boost too much, otherwise for 230 VAC you go too high) so the Power Factor is usually better in 115 VAC of course (also for passive PFC for that matter).

But at low Load (whatever "low" means depends on the Power Supply and many Design Choices), do NOT expect the Power Factor to be very good. Same for the Efficiency for that Matter.

The Ripple Current is, depending on the design, 10-20% of the Nominal Current (depending on several compromises: size of Inductor/Filter, choice of Switching Frequency, target efficiency, etc), so if you are at "low" Load you are not really "following" a Sinusoid. It's more similar to a passive PFC at that point. Also because the voltage on the High voltage DC Capacitor doesn't "drop" as expected since the load is so small ... so the PFC Controller will not require (or not be able to demand) higher AC current.

Above say 20% Load I'd expect the Power Factor to be relatively good (> 0.90 or even > 0.95).

EDIT 1: the "Energy Star" Initiative for Instance requires: "True power factor of 0.9 or greater at 100% of rated load." That's a funny one, because you are NEVER going to fully load your PSU :p.

EDIT 2: The official 80+ Certification States that:
- PFC ≥ 0.90 for 80+ Gold at >= 50% Load
- PFC ≥ 0.95 for 80+ Platinum at >= 50% Load

80+ Titanium is even more Strict in that Regards: PFC ≥ 0.95 at >= 20% Load.


But yeah, nothing Required below 20% Load ...
 
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