15$ Dell Wyse 5060 Thin Client

Samir

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Tell me more about this little guy will you? I've been looking for a small emulation/arcade machine to run stuff up to PS3/Wii games, and it looks like I can use this with a GPU slot. Low profile right?

How powerful is this little guy comparable to say, an intel i3 third-gen (ivy-bridge) or something?

Or is it better to get like an old HP 8300 SFF and throw in a low-profile GPU?
Sure. They're typically sold with a gpu so you'll already get one installed. I forgot what it was equivalent to, but something like a wx2100 I believe. Yep, low-profile.

It's still not very powerful when compared to a regular full blown cpu as even an older lga775 q6600 beats it in single thread performance:

If performance matters, the 8300 SFF would blow this out of the water, especially with an i5 or i7.
 
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can it be used as docker host or mini file server with a usb drive attached 24x7?
Thin client hardware like this is actually ideal as a usb file server as they're low power and it's a really simple setup.
 
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Sure. They're typically sold with a gpu so you'll already get one installed. I forgot what it was equivalent to, but something like a wx2100 I believe. Yep, low-profile.

It's still not very powerful when compared to a regular full blown cpu as even an older lga775 q6600 beats it in single thread performance:

If performance matters, the 8300 SFF would blow this out of the water, especially with an i5 or i7.
Eh, no. The WX2100 will be more powerful (that’s what, like an RX540?). This is GCN2, so this is more like a Radeon R5 M230 sliced in half.

As for the CPU, those are Puma cores - essentially netbook CPU cores like the Atoms, but not quite as efficient…although it’s hard to tell which portions of the power consumption are the cores, and which are the Puma cores. Either you can take a 35w “Bridge” cores and adjust the TDP down (which would match or better the APU), or take the Silvermont Atom cores and add cores/TDP (which would probably do as well, if not better). To me the CPU is one of those evolutionary dead ends like the Atom MID SOCs or the AMD earthmover cores.
 
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Eh, no. The WX2100 will be more powerful (that’s what, like an RX540?). This is GCN2, so this is more like a Radeon R5 M230 sliced in half.
The WX2100 and RX 540 are both GCN 4 Polaris 12 (Lexa), but the RX has twice the memory bandwith. So the WX2100 is slower, but in normal use draws about half the power of the RX. So its a nice choice for cramped boxes when users just need something better than integrated. The embedded marketed version of the WX2100 is the e9173, which is pretty much the same thing, but with a black motif on the shroud and graphics.

Per the datasheets I found online, Fujitsu offered the FirePro W2100 with the S920 that @Samir linked. W2100 is actually GCN1and was seriously gimped to keep the heat down. On the other hand, if you need a GPU that pulls less than 25w even when its maxed out, this one is for you!
 
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The WX2100 and RX 540 are both GCN 4 Polaris 12 (Lexa), but the RX has twice the memory bandwith. So the WX2100 is slower, but in normal use draws about half the power of the RX. So its a nice choice for cramped boxes when users just need something better than integrated. The embedded marketed version of the WX2100 is the e9173, which is pretty much the same thing, but with a black motif on the shroud and graphics.

Per the datasheets I found online, Fujitsu offered the FirePro W2100 with the S920 that @Samir linked. W2100 is actually GCN1and was seriously gimped to keep the heat down. On the other hand, if you need a GPU that pulls less than 25w even when its maxed out, this one is for you!
Well, the Radeon R5 GPU onboard the APU is GCN2 based (2CUs in a 128:8:4 config, clocked at ~500Mhz for 127 GFlops), so if you are comparing the WX2100 to the onboard GPU, then the WX2100 is much faster. The W2100 is closer to the Oland Radeon R5 in both tech and performance, but then you are hitting 3 limiting factors - VRAM bandwidth (DDR3), number of compute units (5CUs in a 320:20:8 config, 400 GFlops) and the fact that the GX424CCs are PCIe Gen2 only. Even if you pop that WX2100/E9173 board into that machine, you are still effectively choking it since the bus is slower and your 4 Puma cores are not really all that great. Of course, if you have lots of unified RAM bandwidth, good amount of unified RAM and a crapload of GCN Comute units, then you'll be able to game with it. But then that's exactly what you have with a Playstation 4....4 Jaguar AMD64 netbook cores, 18 GCN2 CUs and 8GB of unified RAM on an ultra-wide memory bus...and yes, people are known to jailbreak PS4 to get Linux going.

Eh, for these kinda applications I prefer an nVidia GT1300 DDR5 half-height single bay with a fan...but that's like throwing good money into bad, spending 100 bucks to spice up a 15 dollar thin client just seem silly. You are really better off with a t730 or a 740 if you want it to do better things.
 
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Eh, for these kinda applications I prefer an nVidia GT1300 DDR5 half-height single bay with a fan...but that's like throwing good money into bad, spending 100 bucks to spice up a 15 dollar thin client just seem silly. You are really better off with a t730 or a 740 if you want it to do better things.
Well, my original idea was just to let people know that even though WX2100 was like an RX 540, it didn't perform like one, and also that the included GPU was slow as dirt.

But yeah, I agree that for these low end boxes if it doesn't work as is, probably best not to spend much money adding stuff on. Better to wait for one that's configured more like what the user needs. I took a pass on this myself, realizing there wasn't anything I wanted to do that an S920 or a 5060 as configured would be able to do for me. I had put an offer in on an S920, because at least it had a full length PCIe, but when they countered, I thought "what am I doing?" Now jailbreaking a PS4 on the other hand.... :cool:
 
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would yall be interested in boxes around the same price (~$18), that can run off straight 12V power, an ivy bridge series CPU with ~4x the passmark as these + AES-NI / virt support, 32gb ssd, HDMI capture *input*, dual hdmi output, like 15w power draw?
Very. Go on...
I've been scouring eBay lately for weird little boxes like this. It started as looking for cheap alternatives to a raspberry pi because those prices are ridiculous right now. I have seen nothing in that price point for my searches though. Ivy bridge is a little further back than I've been looking, mind you.
 
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would yall be interested in boxes around the same price (~$18), that can run off straight 12V power, an ivy bridge series CPU with ~4x the passmark as these + AES-NI / virt support, 32gb ssd, HDMI capture *input*, dual hdmi output, like 15w power draw?
Would be interesting to at least know what it is :D So yes, me too.
 
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would yall be interested in boxes around the same price (~$18), that can run off straight 12V power, an ivy bridge series CPU with ~4x the passmark as these + AES-NI / virt support, 32gb ssd, HDMI capture *input*, dual hdmi output, like 15w power draw?
Yup!
 
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would yall be interested in boxes around the same price (~$18), that can run off straight 12V power, an ivy bridge series CPU with ~4x the passmark as these + AES-NI / virt support, 32gb ssd, HDMI capture *input*, dual hdmi output, like 15w power draw?
Yes please!
 
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would yall be interested in boxes around the same price (~$18), that can run off straight 12V power, an ivy bridge series CPU with ~4x the passmark as these + AES-NI / virt support, 32gb ssd, HDMI capture *input*, dual hdmi output, like 15w power draw?
I am guessing...something like a Nexcom NDIS B532 with a MiniPCIe capture card...like an Avermedia DarkCrystal?
 

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Well, my original idea was just to let people know that even though WX2100 was like an RX 540, it didn't perform like one, and also that the included GPU was slow as dirt.

But yeah, I agree that for these low end boxes if it doesn't work as is, probably best not to spend much money adding stuff on. Better to wait for one that's configured more like what the user needs. I took a pass on this myself, realizing there wasn't anything I wanted to do that an S920 or a 5060 as configured would be able to do for me. I had put an offer in on an S920, because at least it had a full length PCIe, but when they countered, I thought "what am I doing?" Now jailbreaking a PS4 on the other hand.... :cool:
Yeah, that WX2100 is still miles ahead of that embedded GCN2, even if it's like a gimped RX540. I think I am more exasperated that in the past 4 years there's not that much changes made to the baseline cards...you figure that nVidia would've announced an RT4030 to replace the GT1030 by now.
For 15 bucks the Wyse 5060 still arguably better than waiting for a Pi Zero 2 W, but if you have hardware galore or a SWMBO who is pissed at you for bringing old hardware home all the time, it's probably a good idea to be picky (I am waiting for the t540 to dip below 100 myself).
Jailbreaking a PS4 to run Linux? That's challenging but do-able, and the results will be worth it...
 
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