12gen N-series Nas motherboard (topton, cwwk, ... )

[jang430]

My NAS, using m/b MW--n100-NAS, doesn't blink hdd led. Though I don't have any nvme installed. All my Hdds are connected to the sata 1-6. Does yours have LED?

Do you notice it is very slow to post if there's hdd connected to Sata?

 

[ConcreteLlama]

Mine is quick but it sounds like we have different boards. I have the CWWK CW-NAS-ADLN-K purple board which has the ASM1166 controller integrated. It's relatively quick to boot up (even the first boot which I heard can take a while).

 

[jang430]

Yes, my board is green. I was thinking they are all the same, I guess not.

 

[ConcreteLlama]

I was looking for a PSU to power the following:

1. CWWK Purple Board (N305 + Jonsbo radiator) - with 2 SSD, 32 GB RAM - 30W(?)
2. MG09 Toshiba HDD 18 TB SATA x 4 - consumes anywhere from 4.5W (Idle Type A) - 20W (at startup) - 80W at peak

Can I use this PSU - https://www.ebay.com/itm/40101674015?

Background: I have a 2U case for housing the CWWK Purple N305 + 4 HDD - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CH3JXKZF/

Your link is broken so I can't see what your intended PSU is. You should be fine as long as it fits and has a decent amount of overheard. I'm using my old Seasonic G-360. It doesn't have enough SATA power connectors for me (I have 6xWD Reds connected) but that's easily remedied with a molex to 2 sata splitter.

This reminds me I need to connect up my server to my smart plug and see what the power draw is like.

 

[TaggSte]

Hi, I'm planning on building a NAS with the CWWK N100 motherboard. I've seen people comment here about the incompatibilities with the fan. Should I get the SKU that includes the Jonsbo radiator or buy my own? If so, what would folks recommend?

And do I need some kind of pad (as I've read that the heatsink doesn't make a great connection with the CPU)? Thank you!

 

[TheMead]

Yes, my board is green. I was thinking they are all the same, I guess not.

I'm looking at getting one of the MW--N100-NAS boards, are you still happy with your decision?

 

[KevinR]

Hi, I'm planning on building a NAS with the CWWK N100 motherboard. I've seen people comment here about the incompatibilities with the fan. Should I get the SKU that includes the Jonsbo radiator or buy my own? If so, what would folks recommend?

And do I need some kind of pad (as I've read that the heatsink doesn't make a great connection with the CPU)? Thank you!

As no one else has replied I'll summarise what I've seen.

There's a few posts on here about fitting fans to the cwwk boards. Some have had good luck with the bundled Jonsbo. 1) As I recall it only fits in one of the 4 possible orientations, and it's very close to components even then. 2) Fancy heatsink & fans are often too bulky to fit. 3) the original intel stock fans for 115x socket have been called a good fit, and it's not got many watts to clear anyway.

My thoughts have gone to Arctic TP-3 thermal pads if the gaps are too big for paste when checked. These ones can be compressed, refitted and stacked giving a lot of options to find and fill the gaps. Paste is meant to fill uneven surfaces eg < 0.2mm, not span gaps. Eg. Their 0.5mm pad is intended for 0.3-0.45mm

 

[kdabr]

The AliExpress posts mentions that on the purple board (CW-NAS-ADLN-K V10) that you can get up to 280MBps throughput with the SATA ports, but the ASM1166 product page says speed per lane is selectable up to 1GBps, with 280MBps being the lowest selectable speed. Has anyone confirmed the throughput settings? Anyone experimented with trying to increase it?

 

[plsnotracking1]

Your link is broken so I can't see what your intended PSU is. You should be fine as long as it fits and has a decent amount of overheard. I'm using my old Seasonic G-360. It doesn't have enough SATA power connectors for me (I have 6xWD Reds connected) but that's easily remedied with a molex to 2 sata splitter.

This reminds me I need to connect up my server to my smart plug and see what the power draw is like.

Sorry, I ended up getting this one - https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-...tified/p/N82E16817153438?Item=N82E16817153438

 

[plsnotracking1]

As no one else has replied I'll summarise what I've seen.

There's a few posts on here about fitting fans to the cwwk boards. Some have had good luck with the bundled Jonsbo. 1) As I recall it only fits in one of the 4 possible orientations, and it's very close to components even then. 2) Fancy heatsink & fans are often too bulky to fit. 3) the original intel stock fans for 115x socket have been called a good fit, and it's not got many watts to clear anyway.

My thoughts have gone to Arctic TP-3 thermal pads if the gaps are too big for paste when checked. These ones can be compressed, refitted and stacked giving a lot of options to find and fill the gaps. Paste is meant to fill uneven surfaces eg < 0.2mm, not span gaps. Eg. Their 0.5mm pad is intended for 0.3-0.45mm

You're right, the fan is too close to the capacitors. There's little wiggle room.

Ensure that the screws are equally tight on all sides, otherwise the fan unevenly sits on the copper plate with suboptimal contact. Don't screw too tight, you might bend (and damage) the board. I think mine is a bit bent out of shape.

I tried without the fan, and my average load on system caused the temperatures to be at 70C, and with the fan mounted, it's closer to 30-34C after the fans*. This YT video goes into the depth of components -

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* along with the CPU fan, I seated two of the Noctua NF12 iPPC 2000 (going at the lowest speed of about 400ish RPM) inside this case - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CH3JXKZF. I might eventually just buy Noctua A12x25 to lower the sound, but the industrial Noctua fans move a lot of heat.

Here's how I've stuck the CPU fan. Hope this helps.

 

[Phairplay]

Hi All,
I've set up an Unraid server using the BKHD-1264-NAS N100 motherboard from Aliexpress. I have everything set up and running yet I noticing slower than expected internet speeds.
from my main pc I get a roughly stable 880-900 Mbit yet my server show roughly 600ish. I've tried different ethernet cable and even different ports.
is there something that I need to change or am i missing something obvious?

 

[plsnotracking1]

Hello,

I’m having difficulty connecting the front panel wires to CW-NAS-ADLN-K board.

I’ve attached photos of

1. Board
2. Photo of the front panel wires with names
3. Tried a close up photo of the pins

can some one suggest which wire goes where? I had an old computer where I burnt the wire up by misattaching, trying to avoid a repeat.

Thank you.

 

[plsnotracking1]

Would it be okay to power all the 4 HDDs using a single SATA powered wire?

1. Is this setup okay?
2. Will it cause any performance issues?

if it matters:
1. I’m attaching 3 x MG09 and 1 x WD

More questions:

1. I see a 24 Pin power attachment to the board but do not see a way to power the
CPU. Is that okay?
2. The fans are attached to my
PSU but only side of each fan attachment is connected. Do I need to connect both sides?

the PSU came with a ton of wires, just wanted to make sure I’m not missing anything or starting a fire.

thank you

 

[mtdv]

Hello,

I’m having difficulty connecting the front panel wires to CW-NAS-ADLN-K board.

I’ve attached photos of

1. Board
2. Photo of the front panel wires with names
3. Tried a close up photo of the pins

can some one suggest which wire goes where? I had an old computer where I burnt the wire up by misattaching, trying to avoid a repeat.

Thank you.

Does this help? It's from the manual, with my annotations on top

 

[KevinR]

1. I see a 24 Pin power attachment to the board but do not see a way to power the
CPU. Is that okay?

I generated a Google Translate copy of the manual done months ago. Here CW-NAS-ADLN-K用户手册2024.05.09更新(2)-Eng.pdf

If you look the motherboard takes the ATX 24way power *and* the ATX 12V (2x2) connector to drive the cpu. That's located near the cpu socket. You should find a matching 2x2 connector from your psu.

On this board they assume you're using a standard pc power supply. That should have sata power connectors, and/or molex connectors. The molex can be adapted to sata, just don't buy the cheapest adapter wires. If the psu has sata power built in then it may have 2 to 4 of those available already.

If someone is using a PICO PSU - - that is literally a mini pcb that plugs into the ATX 24 socket - - then things can be harder as they often assume few peripherals and even if they have enough amps/watts the connections can be tricky to organise.

 

[plsnotracking1]

I generated a Google Translate copy of the manual done months ago. Here CW-NAS-ADLN-K用户手册2024.05.09更新(2)-Eng.pdf

If you look the motherboard takes the ATX 24way power *and* the ATX 12V (2x2) connector to drive the cpu. That's located near the cpu socket. You should find a matching 2x2 connector from your psu.

On this board they assume you're using a standard pc power supply. That should have sata power connectors, and/or molex connectors. The molex can be adapted to sata, just don't buy the cheapest adapter wires. If the psu has sata power built in then it may have 2 to 4 of those available already.

If someone is using a PICO PSU - - that is literally a mini pcb that plugs into the ATX 24 socket - - then things can be harder as they often assume few peripherals and even if they have enough amps/watts the connections can be tricky to organise.

Thank you for translating that to English, that answers the question, I thought it `JBAT` since the board has something about JBAT written right under. That clears up.

I found this power supply - https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-...tified/p/N82E16817153438?Item=N82E16817153438 for cheap(er). It had a decent quality cable IMO but tbh, I couldn't tell what differentiates the good from the bad. The box came with a SATA cable that had 5 SATA power connectors on one single cable (technically that should mean that I could power 5 HDDs using one single cable) and they packed 4 such cables in the box. I just wanted to make sure, by doing what I'm doing, I ain't burning the house down.

I do use the PICO PSU to power another board called the Turing Pi 2 (3 CM4s & 1 RK1), delivers up to 160W power, and so far I only have one attachment i.e. a NVMe SSD. It has held up fine, so far.

Thanks once again.

 

[slemens]

Hey everyone,


First off, a huge thanks to this forum! With your help, I managed to configure my CWWK N305 Purple board successfully and relatively power-efficiently.


My setup is fully loaded:
• 6 SATA HDDs
• 2 NVMe drives
• 1 GPU (NVIDIA)

Everything works great, except for one issue with the GPU:


I can’t convince the board to use the Onboard iGPU as the output device during boot and within Unraid.

I have a nanoKVM connected to my server, which only supports HDMI. When the GPU is installed, I suspect that the board is outputting via one of the DisplayPorts on the NVIDIA card, but I can’t verify this.

• HDMI on the NVIDIA card stays black

• HDMI on the Onboard GPU stays black
• Once I remove the dedicated GPU, the Onboard GPU works fine again.

I’m guessing it’s just a BIOS setting I’m too blind to find, but if anyone has a working solution or a hint, I’d really appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!
Sebastian

 

[kristofferR]

I just got the new CWWK CW-NAS-ADLN-K N150 model, and can report that it has a BIOS from 27/11/2024, so pretty updated.
SATA boot worked out of the box too, hadn't had any issues with it so far at all.

To get the fan controlled with software (PWM), it need to be connected to SYSFAN1. SYSFAN2 or any other header like the Jonsbo N2 fan header won't work, they're locked at 100% speed. In the BIOS you need to set it to be Software controlled, and with a fan speed of 255 (so fans will be at 100% speed before software control kicks in).

Here are the commands needed to be able to control the fans:

One time only:
sudo modprobe it87 force_id=0x8620
#When running through sensors-detect, you just have to say yes to the defaults and add it to modules.
sudo sensors-detect
sudo /etc/init.d/kmod start

Manual Fan Control:
sudo modprobe it87 force_id=0x8620
sudo echo 255 | sudo tee /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon4/pwm3
(255 is 100% speed, 0 is 0% speed.)

I recommend trying to run that last command with 0 for a minute to verify that changing fan speed works. It's not the most responsive command, changing the fan speed often takes 20 seconds or so to kick in, but it eventually does.

Once you've got manual control working, you can start using this: GitHub - desbma/hddfancontrol: Regulate fan speed according to hard drive temperature

For TrueNAS there's this thread: How I used a docker container to adjust the fans from the hdd temp. You need to do the commands I told you about above, then set "modprobe it87 force_id=0x8620" as a TrueNAS pre-init script. See the attached screenshot

Then here's the YAML I used to install the "Custom App" (Apps - Discover Apps - Hamburger menu - Install via YAML):

services:
  hddfancontrol:
    cap_add:
      - SYS_MODULE
    environment:
      - DRIVE_FILEPATHS=/dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde
      - FAN_PWM_FILEPATH=/sys/class/hwmon/hwmon4/pwm3
      - FAN_START_VALUE=130
      - FAN_STOP_VALUE=70
      - MIN_TEMP=30
      - MAX_TEMP=55
      - INTERVAL_S=30
      - TEMP_QUERY_MODE=smartctl
      - VERBOSITY=debug
    image: ghcr.io/fightforlife/docker_hddfancontrol:master
    privileged: True
    restart: unless-stopped
    volumes:
      - /dev:/dev:ro

There you go, that should be everything needed to setup fans with a CWWK CW-NAS-ADLN-K

 

[DylanPykl]

I'm looking at getting one of the MW--N100-NAS boards, are you still happy with your decision?

If you are referring to this one, I've been using it for about 4 months and am happy with it. It's no speed demon but works great for my use case.

I had been looking to build a new nas for our home, to replace my bulky Poweredge 2600. After reading this thread I figured it would be worth a shot to try the MW-N100-NAS board. My use case is just for my wife and I to have a single system to consolidate & triage all of our accumulated hard drives and media into something with redundancy.

Went with the Node 304 case, a stick of GSkill F5-5600S4040A32G, and a TeamGroup MP44L 1GB m.2. The 2 USB ports on the case front of the 304 case are USB 3, which the motherboard does not have a header for, nor is there a connection for the front audio ports. The motherboard does not have holes to mount a 115x cooler. I cleaned off the stock thermal goop on the cpu and put some PTM.

Installed Gentoo, which is its' own adventure by itself. Everything's up and running smoothly, using NFS to share to my desktop and wifes' mac mini. It's currently running a hand-rolled kernel 6.12.11 with openZFS 2.3. Three ST18000NT01 drives in a zfs RAID1Z make the main pool. I'm also using a couple nvme partitions for log and cache (whether they help or hinder remains to be seen).

Before adding drives, it idled at 21/22 watts, neither the JBM585 or the AQC113C chips have functional ASPM. The system starts behaving unstable after powertop --autotune, I haven't yet dug deeply into figuring out which change powertop makes that causes the instability.

My desktop (3900X) and nas are direct connected over the 10Gbps link. This link has AQC113Cs on both ends, but they don't support AUTO-MDI so I crimped a null-ethernet cable. iperf3 reports ~6.8Gbps up & down. Of note, my desktop is the bottleneck with the AQC113C on a slower 2x 5GT/s pcie port. 16k jumbo frames are enabled. My wife accesses it over the 2.5gbps network

Overall, I'm still happy. I know it's severely bottle necked by the lack of pcie lanes but after shuffling around a couple terabytes of data I feel it's doing just fine. No doubt long-term reliability will be the surprise.

 

[plsnotracking1]

Has anyone enabled the C-States via the BIOS?
How has your experience been?