Water Panther (WP) drives

andrewbedia

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Starting a thread on this. They are another white labeling company, but seem to be far more... desirable (?) than GoHardDrive. Looks like their drives come with a 2 year warranty.

Purchased two 12TB SATA drives from them with Costco VISA (bumping warranty to 4 years).

Here is an exact link to the drives I bought Refurbished: WP Arsenal 12TB SATA 7200RPM 3.5-Inch DAS Hard Drive - Newegg.com
Here is their website Water Panther Server Drives

Here are what the drives look like:





These physically look like Seagate EXOS X12 drives. The description on their site says they are not NAS drives, but they also look like IronWolf drives. If anyone can confirm one way or the other (maybe you have EXOS 12 or IronWolf to compare to?), let me know! If that regulatory mark (STL004) is accurate, this would confirm EXOS X12 or "Seagate Enterprise Capacity HDD v7".

I'm running badblocks on both of them now to validate health before using as a manual replication of some of my zfs datasets.

The real downside is no serial number in SMART data (all 0s), but the WWN listed in the SMART data does in fact match what is printed on the drive for identification purposes.

I'll post more information later (if it passed badblocks, what benchmarks look like, etc)

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SMART data looks like this
Code:
$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
[sudo] password for bediaa:
smartctl 7.1 2020-04-05 r5049 [x86_64-linux-4.18.0-240.8.1.el8_3.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     OOS12000G
Serial Number:    00000000
LU WWN Device Id: redacted
Firmware Version: OOS1
User Capacity:    12,000,138,625,024 bytes [12.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed Dec 30 17:26:58 2020 EST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (  567) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (1101) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x50bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   077   077   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       47334912
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   090   089   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       17
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   100   253   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       647179
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       16
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   063   048   040    Old_age   Always       -       37 (Min/Max 16/37)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       37
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   037   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       37 (0 16 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   077   077   000    Old_age   Always       -       47334912
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       1 (134 31 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       2775121920
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       4196

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%         1         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
 
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BlueFox

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Looks like they just slapped a sticker over the white label Seagates you find on eBay. I can't imagine they're any different.
 
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andrewbedia

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Hmm maybe? The regulatory marker for skyhawk from google image searching is different though
 

thepregnantgod

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I got three of these exact drives to connect to my LSI card (via SATA backplane).

Interesting though, and hoping someone can help, I can't run more than one on the SATA backplane. It forces the other to drop. I'm wondering if it's because of the Serial Number being the same?

I was able to connect it to my MOBO SATA though and it read.
 

andrewbedia

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I got three of these exact drives to connect to my LSI card (via SATA backplane).

Interesting though, and hoping someone can help, I can't run more than one on the SATA backplane. It forces the other to drop. I'm wondering if it's because of the Serial Number being the same?

I was able to connect it to my MOBO SATA though and it read.
Hmm i might try mine on a SES-supported backplane. Right now they are just in a u-nas nsc-400, which does not have an intelligent backplane. No issues so far.
 

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I've got 2 installed and another one coming. Booting UnRaid, they seem to switch back and forth. One will show up as "OOS12000G_00000000" and the other will show up as wwn-0x5000c500xxxxxxxx (With the serial in tact).
Upon reboot, they will switch! The disk that previously had the serial becomes zeros, and the other's serial shows up.
This plays HELL on UnRaid. You have to start a new config and very carefully reassign parity and data drives.
I have observed this behavior on an HP HBA and directly connected to motherboard (non-RAID) SATA ports.
 

andrewbedia

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hmm, I think if you forced it to use wwns only (not familiar with unraid other than knowing it exists) you'd be fine. Mine shows in /dev/disk/by-id with the correct wwn that is physically printed on the drive.

I only see one ata-OOS12000G_00000000. This is because the serial numbers are all 0s and it can't have a duplicate symlink. Just use the wwn if there's a way in unraid. This is a complete non-issue with zfs.
 

andrewbedia

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The pair of drives passed badblocks after about 160 hours. I put zfs on them as a raid0 (this is just for backups) and getting about 450-600MB/s replicating zfs data over 10gig. Benchmarks probably aren't going to happen... I just want to get my backups going lol.
 

Samir

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I've got 2 installed and another one coming. Booting UnRaid, they seem to switch back and forth. One will show up as "OOS12000G_00000000" and the other will show up as wwn-0x5000c500xxxxxxxx (With the serial in tact).
Upon reboot, they will switch! The disk that previously had the serial becomes zeros, and the other's serial shows up.
This plays HELL on UnRaid. You have to start a new config and very carefully reassign parity and data drives.
I have observed this behavior on an HP HBA and directly connected to motherboard (non-RAID) SATA ports.
Sounds super dangerous. :eek:

I was thinking this company was just some sort of while label potentially doing something valuable to validate their drives.

Now they sound like those ebay folks who wipe all the smart data and mess with a drive's details, except these have been repackaged and have a fancy (but stupid) name attached to them.
 

msg7086

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Well, refurbishing is basically (1) wipe the drive (2) scan the drive (3) hide bad blocks if any (4) repackage and sell, right?

During step 3 they'll mess whatever they can mess with the firmware, and maybe rewrite the serial numbers.