(US) 90 dollar Wyse 5070 Thin client/mini-server?

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This connector works on 5070 internal usb. I am using it as well.
Which angle are you using? I am looking at the same thing for the 5070 extended too.

By the way, the relative "2.5-inch SATA 22-pin SSD hard drive to USB 3.0 motherboard 19-pin 20-pin connector cable" is pretty hard to find on aliexpress.com, last one I just found last week is out of stock already. Below is the one of "CY" brand("Chenyang") that is still in stock.

 
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so I just bought a 5470 for $50 (though seemingly bios password locked, so hopefully it has the jumper inside to clear it). This seems like the exact same as the 6070 except it comes with a 24" FHD monitor built in. Figured I'd take a flyer on it. Has anyone ever used it? It seems that a touch screen was an option on some of them, though haven't seen any on the secondary market with a touch screen. But I'm thinking that a j5005 based touchscreen display would make a killer wall mounted display units.
 
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so I just bought a 5470 for $50 (though seemingly bios password locked, so hopefully it has the jumper inside to clear it). This seems like the exact same as the 6070 except it comes with a 24" FHD monitor built in. Figured I'd take a flyer on it. Has anyone ever used it? It seems that a touch screen was an option on some of them, though haven't seen any on the secondary market with a touch screen. But I'm thinking that a j5005 based touchscreen display would make a killer wall mounted display units.
eh….risky move. I don’t see a jumper to clear the BIOS password in the service manual, and I can’t tell whether there is a removable EEPROM on the board that you can pop and clear (like on the t640/740s). At least the back comes off without the need to unglue it like on the iMacs.

The Wyse 5470s are seemingly limited to the Celeron J4105, so eeeh, similar to a base model 5070.
 
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No, it's definitely a j5005 with 8g of ram. Worse comes to worse it's $50 down the drain. I've gambled and lost worst. The 8gb of ddr4 is probably worth $10 to me at least, so there's what to scavenge.
 
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No, it's definitely a j5005 with 8g of ram. Worse comes to worse it's $50 down the drain. I've gambled and lost worst. The 8gb of ddr4 is probably worth $10 to me at least, so there's what to scavenge.
Sometime there is a default password on some product or pressing some buttons since there must be a procedure to do resetting if there is no jumper or else(like some routers or switches are pressing some buttons and doing some others when gained physical access).
 
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eh….risky move. I don’t see a jumper to clear the BIOS password in the service manual, and I can’t tell whether there is a removable EEPROM on the board that you can pop and clear (like on the t640/740s). At least the back comes off without the need to unglue it like on the iMacs.

The Wyse 5470s are seemingly limited to the Celeron J4105, so eeeh, similar to a base model 5070.
actually you're 100% right. I was wrong. I thought the 8gb option made it for sure a j5005 (like on the 5070s), but I see the configurator that gives you the abiity to configure it as such without changing cpu.
 
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and it definitely has a jumper, can clearly see it in motherboar pics here

The three next to the Dell logo on the board next to the heat pipe? Possibly. There’s some writing silkscreened to the board that might be password clearing instructions. That board does looks a bit different to the standard Wyse 5070 design, so it might’ve used NVMe instead of onboard eMMC.

The Celeron J4105 is only slightly slower than the J5005, so if the 5470 AIO was delivered well packaged and you were able to kill the password, it’s a decent haul.
 
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The three next to the Dell logo on the board next to the heat pipe? Possibly. There’s some writing silkscreened to the board that might be password clearing instructions.
yes, there are 3 jumper positions. "Service Mode" "Password Clear" "CMOS Clear"
 
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though for anyone else interested in the 5470, it seems from my googling that it takes the 4.5mm barrel plug (and ships with the 90W adapter, not 65W one).
 
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Which angle are you using? I am looking at the same thing for the 5070 extended too.

By the way, the relative "2.5-inch SATA 22-pin SSD hard drive to USB 3.0 motherboard 19-pin 20-pin connector cable" is pretty hard to find on aliexpress.com, last one I just found last week is out of stock already. Below is the one of "CY" brand("Chenyang") that is still in stock.


Notch facing inwards
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The supported video card is the AMD Radeon e9173. It's very rare, and i can only find one for sale in the US on ebay currently.
I havent found any data on the card's dimensions after extended searching, but wondering if a Radeon WX 2100 would fit as well, atleast on the pictures it looks like the same casing solution including blower type fan cooling.

the WX 2100 is '2.7” x 6.6” (H x L); Single Slot' as per datasheet (168 mm length), which by measuring tape could just fit.

Another option could be a Quadro P620 (2.713” H x 5.7” L, Single Slot, Low Profile)

So has anyone tested either a WX 2100 or a Quadro P620?
 
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Don't have an extended 5070, but I do have a WX2100 (and even a W2100 - older, slower, but same size) and a slim 5070, so I took a couple of pictures so you can judge the fit.

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Excellent, my humble thanks for these pictures :)
I have to open my extended 5070 and try to determine if there is free space above those usb connectors, and the blue connector once i get a chance.

Currently my plan is to ditch the idea of running a 10gbit network card in the pcie slot, and instead a graphics card for faster rendering at 4K, and then run a wifi 6e chip for network, once 6e routers become mainstream.

the j5005 cpu is too slow for this box to be my main desktop, but i'd like to use the wyse mounted behind a 4k screen with VESA mounting as a client for streaming games from a big box with gaming videocards in the 'server room', to avoid having to have a gaming box next to the screen in the living room. I know game streaming over network is still rare, but i trust it will become a thing.

BTW, why cant we get rid of displayports and HDMI already? why not just have graphics card encode the signal, and the screen decode it over the network? Think about having a monitor with just an ip address it gets over DHCP connected with ethernet to the LAN, and any computer could just stream it's video output to the screen, no more cable restrictions, monitor hdmi and dp input restrictions etc etc.. just a thought.

my aim is to use the wyse mounted with vesa behind the screen to achieve this basically. i wanna stream multiple VM desktops, plus windows gaming boxes over wifi 6e to the wyse, and be rid of all cables except for power to mains outlet. I think i read somewhere that a single 4K 60 hz stream takes about 50MB of bandwidth, so 1 gig ethernet could just handle 2 streams theoretically, but wifi 6e and 10gb ethernet would have no issue with multiple streams.

again, thanks for the images, greatly appreciated

edit: i know there are HDMI over ethernet adapters etc, but it should be ip routable really, so u can stream the screen from n+1 outputs to a single screen..
 
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For the sake of completeness...
Users reported Dual Rank 2Rx8 memory to be compatible with J5005/J4105
260-Pin, SODIMM, non-ECC

Kingston ValueRAM stick (KVR24S17D8/16)
Corsair CMSX32GX4M2A2400C16 Vengeance 32GB kit (2x16GB)
Crucial CT2K16G4SFD824A 32GB kit (2x16GB)

ASRock J5005-ITX Memory QVL
DDR4 Corsair 3200 2400 16GB CMSX32GX4M2B3200C16
DDR4 Corsair 2666 2400 16GB CMSX64GX4M4A2666C18
DDR4 Crucial 2400 2400 16GB CT16G4SFD824A.16FB1
DDR4 Crucial 2133 2133 16GB MTA16ATF2G64HZ-2G1A1
DDR4 G.Skill 2666 2400 16GB F4-2666C18D-32GRS
DDR4 G.Skill 2133 2133 16GB F4-2133C15S-16GRS

*2GB DRAM per module is not supported.
based on @hk92doom 's list plus the ASRock QVL i created a ebay search of all the 16GB modules with speeds of atleast 2400MHz that should be compatible, users can edit to include 2133 modules etc. Just paste the following into ebay search:

(cmsx32gx4m2b3200c16, cmsx32gx4m2a2400c16, cmsx64gx4m4a2666c18, ct16g4sfd824a.16fb1, f4-2666c18d-32grs, kvr24s17d8/16, ct2k16g4sfd824a)
 
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BTW, why cant we get rid of displayports and HDMI already? why not just have graphics card encode the signal, and the screen decode it over the network?

The initial revisions of HDMI and DisplayPort offered 3.96Gbit/s and 8.64Gbit/s of data transfer in 2002 and 2006, respectively.

Current revisions of HDMI (2.1) and DisplayPort (2.0) offer 42.6Gbit/s and 77.3Gbit/s of usable bandwidth.

You can buy hardware, like the LKV373A, which will accept an HDMI signal and encode it for transportation over the network. However, the resulting video stream carries a noticeable latency and is heavily compressed.

The reason we haven't all replaced HDMI and DisplayPort with display over Ethernet is because home networking doesn't have nearly the bandwidth to transport uncompressed signals, compressed video is rife with quality and latency issues, and nothing can beat the value proposition of a purpose built cable that costs $15 and doesn't require further configuration.
 

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eh, many of us have $25-$30 40/56gigabit cx-3 cards combined with $200 (or less) mellanox switches :) I've actually been wondering if it be possible stream a framebuffer off of it without compression (either a virtual framebuffer, doesn't do much for 3D though, or like comment was saying, if I could actually stream it out of a gpu directly)
 
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