Super Cheap Hitachi UltraStar C10k600 450GB 2.5" TCG Encryption Hard Drives

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  1. Boddy

    Boddy Active Member

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    Drives are in California as I figured it tends to be cheapest freight to Australia based on previous calculations.

    Freight to California was only US$41.40 for 36 drives but it seems they packed them in one huge box.
    (I'm wondering to ship as is with no content photos, less handling by freight forwarders?)
     
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  2. svt3391

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    My 2 boxes arrived in perfect shape via USPS (surprise!). It was a Saturday delivery and signature was required. My post person was very courteous so none of the corner of the box was even dented.
     
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  3. felmyst

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    My 12 arrived today. AT LAST. Still waiting for 12 more. Mail brokers in USA can't believe that they're not for resale and refuse to send them.
    Disks arrived in nice foam package. It's interesting that they're already 512 byte block size.
     
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  4. felmyst

    felmyst New Member

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    Here's complete datasheet for these drives: https://www.hgst.com/sites/default/files/resources/USC10K600_Spec_Enc_V3.0.pdf
    According to this document (18.4 for basic info about FORMAT UNIT command implementation and 18.4.1 for acceptable parameters), we need to format them to 512 b size with both fmtpinfo and pfu set to 0 to disable T10 data integrity.
    Don't fall for "default" values of sg_format — they're not set until you call them. Luckily, you can format them from windows too! Just download your copy of pre-compiled binaries from The sg3_utils package
    Here's a nice powershell script to automize your formatting job:

    for($i=X; $i -le Y; $i++){.\sg_format.exe --format --fmtpinfo=0 --pfu=0 --size=512 pd$i}

    Where X is number of the first disk you need to format and Y is the last. You can get them using sg_scan or via Get-PhysicalDisk cmdlet.
    sg_scan example:
    PD9 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRJZGX7B
    PD10 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRK1HNUY
    PD11 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRJX2JTY
    PD12 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRJWSX5B
    PD13 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PNW970KB
    PD14 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRK1HKHY
    PD15 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRJX1W4Y
    PD16 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PRJZH6YB
    PD17 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PNW9D7AB
    PD18 HITACHI HUC106045CSS601 MS03 PNW9VNSY

    You need this PD# number

    Back to my disks: 1 from 12 was DOA (lot of read errors, write errors and other problems), another 1 from 12 was already formatted with T10 data integrity disabled. Returning the DOA drive is just too much fuss with a little benefit so instead I'll try to flash it with Dell or any other firmware I can find in the nearest future.
     
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  5. Flintstone

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    I have 16 of these but haven´t really started using them for real data yet. Is this just for using them in Windows or is this low-level? Mine works so far OK in a ZFS set, but I was kind of expecting better performance, so if it makes sense to format them, I will.
     
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  6. Fritz

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    I'd like to know too. What will I gain by formatting them to 512b ?
     
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  7. Flintstone

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    Oh... Those glossy 390 page manuals for a $15 harddrive just makes me want to get 100 more...
     
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  8. BackupProphet

    BackupProphet Well-Known Member

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    Neither I cannot see any advantages formatting these as 512b. SQL Databases for example use either 4k(SQL Server), 8k(Oracle, PostgreSQL) or 16k(MySQL). Works great with ZFS, and I have great performance.
     
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  9. felmyst

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    Windows doesn't support 520b blocks and enabling type 2 protection (T10 data integrity) may lead you to a lot of CRC/ i/o errors. Linux is indifferent to T10 data integrity but doesn't like 520b sectors AFAIK.
    So you'll definitely need to reformat them to 512b and likely need to also disable T10 data integrity to use them in windows.
     
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  10. fossxplorer

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    So these drives are 520b sector? I don't have good experience with an Ebay seller from Germany selling me 2x 2TB Seagate DKS2C-H2R0SS by givning me false information. He stated it was ST32000444SS, but it wasn't. Tried to format them using sg_utils, it went fine, but even with 512b sector, CentOS 7 refuses to accept them. Fdisk nor parted can detect these drives.
    Dmesg reported the following:

    [root@localhost ~]# dmesg | grep sdb
    [ 3.625562] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Unsupported sector size 520.
    [ 3.625569] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] 0 512-byte logical blocks: (0 B/0 B)
    [ 3.625571] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] 520-byte physical blocks
    [ 3.628128] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
    [ 3.628131] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 13 00 10 08
    [ 3.629386] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, supports DPO and FUA
    [ 3.631085] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Unsupported sector size 520.
    [ 3.635801] sd 1:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
    [root@localhost ~]# dmesg | grep sdc
    [ 3.625325] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Unsupported sector size 520.
    [ 3.625329] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] 0 512-byte logical blocks: (0 B/0 B)
    [ 3.625332] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] 520-byte physical blocks
    [ 3.628008] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
    [ 3.628011] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 13 00 10 08
    [ 3.629310] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, supports DPO and FUA
    [ 3.630908] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Unsupported sector size 520.
    [ 3.635604] sd 1:0:2:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
    Googling reveals these could have been NetApp disks hence some weird FW issue perhaps.

    Just me paying €200 as these were "new" :(

    I'll omit buying 520b disks in the future.

    Sorry, if totally OT here.
     
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  11. Flintstone

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    I would love to have some more information. I tried to work with one of the drives in Windows - I get no indication at all that there is a problem, and nowhere any sign of 520b sectors. Can you give som examples from the sg_ suite (or other) on how you identified them beeing 512b or 520b?
     
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  12. felmyst

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    As I've already mentioned, mine 12 were already 512b formatted. But they're pulled from NetApp filer, so they definitely were either 520b or 512b with T10 PI. Or both. You can check yours using sg_readcap:

    PS C:\Users\administrator\Downloads\sg3_utils-1.42_mw64exe> .\sg_readcap.exe -l pd10
    Read Capacity results:
    Protection: prot_en=0, p_type=0, p_i_exponent=0
    Logical block provisioning: lbpme=0, lbprz=0
    Last logical block address=879097967 (0x3465f86f), Number of logical blocks=879097968
    Logical block length=512 bytes
    Logical blocks per physical block exponent=0
    Lowest aligned logical block address=0
    Hence:
    Device size: 450098159616 bytes, 429247 MiB, 450.098 GB

    Here you can see that this drive has T10 data integrity disabled (prot_en=0, p_type=0) and the block size is 512b.

    And here's the same drive before sg_format:

    PS C:\Users\administrator\Downloads\sg3_utils-1.42_mw64exe> .\sg_readcap.exe -l pd10
    Read Capacity results:
    Protection: prot_en=1, p_type=1, p_i_exponent=0 [type 2 protection]
    Logical block provisioning: lbpme=0, lbprz=0
    Last logical block address=879097967 (0x3465f86f), Number of logical blocks=879097968
    Logical block length=512 bytes
    Logical blocks per physical block exponent=0
    Lowest aligned logical block address=0
    Hence:
    Device size: 450098159616 bytes, 429247 MiB, 450.098 GB

    As you can see, this drive is 512b with T10 data integrity enabled.
     
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  13. Flintstone

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    Thank you for great information. I will digg into this, and format my drives so that they will cause as little problems as possible in the future!
     
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  14. unwind-protect

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    (I can move to a different thread if you want?)

    Are any of you folks finding good deals on SAS frames or standalone SAS cables?

    I have plenty controllers, all going to SFF-8088 (square metal external). I have cheap drives. Buying a 8x frame wasn't cheap but OK (got the silverstone) but getting cables is really annoying. I need SFF-8088 to SFF-8087, then SFF-8087 to breakout SATA style.

    I also managed to pick up 2 reverse breakout cables. Argh.

    Are most of you running used 19" gear?
     
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  15. NetWise

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    Used rack mount gear is the only cost effective way TO do it. Customized desktop stuff is cool but often priced to reflect the lack of both supply and demand.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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  16. frogtech

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    Got my first order of 24 finally. Wish they didnt make you sign for these. Get so tired of having to make arrangements or go to the FedEx office when I reschedule the delivery to be held there. Would also be nice if they didn't include the caddies.
     
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  17. Flintstone

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    I formated all my disks using the method outlined by felmyst - and to me it seems like OmniOS likes them better than before (like I seem to recall a strange message from the "format" command that isn´t there anymore) - it most certainly didn´t hurt. Makes sense to test yourself if you have a few of them. Thank you felmyst!
     
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  18. JayG30

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    FYI, I think the T10 protection is causing me some issues....
    Was going to try out Nutanix CE and ran into this. Pretty sure I formatted the disks using sg_format (they show as 512b) but never disabled T10 (edit: yep, I previously did sg_format -F --fmtpinfo=3 --pfu=0). Ubuntu seemed to not care about this, nor Windows. But here the install isn't working and constant I/O error complaints like mentioned earlier.

    ioerrors2.PNG ioerrors.PNG

    PDF on T10
     
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  19. BackupProphet

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    Where is the listing? :(
     
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  20. Jannis Jacobsen

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    I believe they are sold out

    -J
     
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