Seagate Backup Plus 4TB Drive - Cheap 2.5" 4TB drives

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  1. Patrick

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    First off, credit to @Deslok for first thinking of this. I am recreating the thread with a title for ease of searching.

    This is a quick guide to what we saw with shucking a Seagate Backup Plus 4TB external drive to get a $125 2.5" Seagate ST400LM016 drive (5400rpm 15mm notebook HDDdrive.) Full guide will be published on the main site in the next day or two but I wanted to get something for forum members sooner.

    What to get
    $124 on Amazon (I had free same day Prime shipping): http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Storage-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/

    Seagate Backup Plus 4TB STDR4000100 closed.jpg [​IMG]

    Warranty Check
    It looks like these internal drives do not carry warranties if sent in separately.

    Ease of Dis-assembly
    No screwdrivers required. Very easy to take apart but likely to damage enclosure while doing so. I am going to work on another drive to give a different method a try. I still think Seagate will know if you try to re-assemble.

    What is Inside
    Seagate ST4000LM016 is inside. Here is a link to the product page. This is $208 currently on Amazon or 667% more than the external drive.

    Seagate 4TB ST4000LM016 drive liberated.jpg [​IMG]

    Other Surprises
    The USB 3.0 to SATA adapter is very small and looks very handy, especially if you primarily use SATA SSDs or 2.5" SATA hard drives that do not require external power.
    Seagate Backup Plus 4TB STDR4000100 USB 3 to SATA.jpg

    Main Site Post
    Main site post here: Seagate 4TB 2.5" SATA drives for 61% off by shucking externals which has more information.
     
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  2. PigLover

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    When I search the bare drive (ST4000LM016) I get $139.88 on Amazon.

    I'm not sure voiding the warranty is worth $15 (unless of course you are buying 8+ drives, at which point the 9th drive for self-warranty use is 'free').

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  3. Patrick

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    That $139 drive if you look at the feedback says it is only 16MB cache and not the drive listed in the title. Even the Google shopping widget has prices from $195-217 for the internal drive.
    upload_2016-4-20_16-28-40.png

    Also just noticed that the drives on the ebay listing are 30 day warranty from the seller so they are basically no warranty drives from Seagate (no chance to reunite with the external enclosure and RMA.)
     
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  4. Deslok

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    My bad, good catch Patrick on the disparity, cdw carries them too if someone needed a large volume of them you can usually negotiate a discount.
     
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  5. Patrick

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    And working with Xeon D in Ubuntu:
    Code:
    ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo lsblk
    NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
    sda      8:0    0   3.7T  0 disk
    ├─sda1   8:1    0   128M  0 part
    └─sda2   8:2    0   3.7T  0 part
    sdb      8:16   0  74.5G  0 disk
    sr0     11:0    1  1006M  0 rom  /cdrom
    loop0    7:0    0 962.1M  1 loop /rofs
    
     
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  6. Evan

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    Love that seagate don't do what WD and just out the usb controller straight into the drive logic board :)
    Think I may just replace a few of my full 2tb 2.5" drives with some of these.
    Low power for sure and now they have decent capacity.
    On the other hand there is the throught of @Patrick just to make a notebook into a NAS.
     
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  7. Deslok

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    Wait you can see the 128m cache can you use it separate from the drive?
     
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  8. Evan

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    That 128m would be the hidden partition for the tools probably ?
     
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  9. Patrick

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    So here is something interesting. The official Seagate spec linked above says the model has 128MB cache. This drive says 16MB unless this is the wrong command.
    Code:
    ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
    
    /dev/sda:
    
     Model=ST4000LM016-1N2170, FwRev=0003
     Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
     RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
     BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=16384kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
     CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=7814037168
     IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
     PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
     DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
     UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6
     AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
     Drive conforms to: Reserved:  ATA/ATAPI-4,5,6,7
    
     * signifies the current active mode
    
    ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
    
     
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  10. Deslok

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    Seagate Backup Plus Portable 4TB USB 3.0 Drive Review
    anandtech found the same thing with crystal disk info Seagate Backup Plus Portable 4TB USB 3.0 Drive Review
     
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  11. cperalt1

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    Don't know if it makes a difference I use capital I.

    Code:
    sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda
    
    /dev/sda:
    
    ATA device, with non-removable media
        Model Number:       Hitachi HDS722020ALA330                 
        Serial Number:     
        Firmware Revision:  JKAOA3EA
        Transport:          Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6; Revision: ATA8-AST T13 Project D1697 Revision 0b
    Standards:
        Used: unknown (minor revision code 0x0029)
        Supported: 8 7 6 5
        Likely used: 8
    Configuration:
        Logical        max    current
        cylinders    16383    16383
        heads        16    16
        sectors/track    63    63
        --
        CHS current addressable sectors:   16514064
        LBA    user addressable sectors:  268435455
        LBA48  user addressable sectors: 3907029168
        Logical/Physical Sector size:           512 bytes
        device size with M = 1024*1024:     1907729 MBytes
        device size with M = 1000*1000:     2000398 MBytes (2000 GB)
        cache/buffer size  = 29999 KBytes (type=DualPortCache)
        Form Factor: 3.5 inch
        Nominal Media Rotation Rate: 7200
    Capabilities:
        LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
        Queue depth: 32
        Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
        R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16    Current = 16
        Advanced power management level: disabled
        DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6
             Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
        PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
             Cycle time: no flow control=120ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
    Commands/features:
        Enabled    Supported:
           *    SMART feature set
                Security Mode feature set
           *    Power Management feature set
           *    Write cache
           *    Look-ahead
           *    Host Protected Area feature set
           *    WRITE_BUFFER command
           *    READ_BUFFER command
           *    DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
                Advanced Power Management feature set
                Power-Up In Standby feature set
           *    SET_FEATURES required to spinup after power up
                SET_MAX security extension
           *    48-bit Address feature set
           *    Device Configuration Overlay feature set
           *    Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
           *    FLUSH_CACHE_EXT
           *    SMART error logging
           *    SMART self-test
                Media Card Pass-Through
           *    General Purpose Logging feature set
           *    WRITE_{DMA|MULTIPLE}_FUA_EXT
           *    64-bit World wide name
           *    URG for READ_STREAM[_DMA]_EXT
           *    URG for WRITE_STREAM[_DMA]_EXT
           *    WRITE_UNCORRECTABLE_EXT command
           *    Segmented DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
           *    Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
           *    Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
           *    Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
           *    Host-initiated interface power management
           *    Phy event counters
           *    NCQ priority information
                Non-Zero buffer offsets in DMA Setup FIS
           *    DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization
                Device-initiated interface power management
                In-order data delivery
           *    Software settings preservation
           *    SMART Command Transport (SCT) feature set
           *    SCT Write Same (AC2)
           *    SCT Error Recovery Control (AC3)
           *    SCT Features Control (AC4)
           *    SCT Data Tables (AC5)
    Security:
        Master password revision code = 65534
            supported
        not    enabled
        not    locked
            frozen
        not    expired: security count
        not    supported: enhanced erase
    Logical Unit WWN Device Identifier: 5000cca222c083de
        NAA        : 5
        IEEE OUI    : 000cca
        Unique ID    : 222c083de
    Checksum: correct
     
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    Thanks for the writeup/photos, Patrick and inspiration, Deslok.
    I think I'll head to the local brick and mortar (Best Buy) and grab a few for kicks!
     
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    Yea BB was $3-6 more than Amazon so not too bad for instant gratification.
     
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  15. Deslok

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    interesting side note it looks like they come with 200gb of one drive storage did you activate that?
     
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  16. NetWise

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    And does it stack? ;). I suspect there will be some folks in here with a couple TB of OneDrive storage ... ;).
     
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    2 years on the 200GB OneDrive. Edit found the FAQ OneDrive FAQ
     
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  18. Deslok

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    this is what sacrificial vm's and snapshots are for XD
     
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    Yea I found the FAQ and updated that post.
     
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  20. cheezehead

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    Or have BB PriceMatch Amazon and then get the BB rewards on the backend ;)
     
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