Minisforum MS-01 PCIe Card and RAM Compatibility Thread

[MetalPhreak]

Which coral is this?

Mini PCIe Accelerator
M.2 PCIe Accelerator

M.2 Accelerator A+E key | Coral

Integrate the Edge TPU into legacy and new systems using an M.2 (A+E key) interface.

coral.ai

A+E key M.2 single TPU

 

[Tsatsar]

Anyone in Europe got any info on it? i received today the 96Gb ram and 2 x 990pro 2TB so i am a bit eager

Hello πατρίδα, just got email from support that my order (placed 12/01) was shipped from Hong Kong on January 19th and is expected to arrive in Germany in 7-10 days before being sent to me. I will also receive tracking number once it leaves from German warehouse.

 

[vxspiritxv]

Spoiler: First crash

Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: general protection fault, probably for non-canonical address 0x7b066e574545bac4: 0000 [#1] PREEMPT SMP NOPTI
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: CPU: 4 PID: 1271 Comm: pvestatd Tainted: P O 6.5.11-4-pve #1
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Hardware name: Micro Computer (HK) Tech Limited Venus Series/AHWSA, BIOS AHWSA.1.17 12/14/2023
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RIP: 0010:copy_page_range+0x7d1/0x1540
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Code: 48 89 85 48 ff ff ff e8 3d 8d ff ff 48 8b 8d 30 ff ff ff 48 85 c0 49 89 c6 74 53 48 89 c7 e8 66 68 ff ff 48 8b 8d 30 ff ff ff <f6> 40 18 01 48 89 c6 0f 85 e4 01 00 00 48 89 8d 30 ff ff ff f0 ff
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RSP: 0018:ffffc0f7c2b67a10 EFLAGS: 00010246
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RAX: 7b066e574545baac RBX: 000055861d76a000 RCX: 8000000156441845
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: 0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RBP: ffffc0f7c2b67ba8 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000000 R12: ffffa034e314bb50
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R13: ffffa02608aeab50 R14: ffffe49c05591040 R15: 0000000000000010
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: FS: 00007ff6fd1d0740(0000) GS:ffffa0356f700000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: CR2: 000055861a46efb8 CR3: 0000000107faa000 CR4: 0000000000752ee0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: PKRU: 55555554
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Call Trace:
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: <TASK>
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? show_regs+0x6d/0x80
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? die_addr+0x37/0xa0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? exc_general_protection+0x1c3/0x460
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? ima_match_policy+0x291/0x960
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? asm_exc_general_protection+0x27/0x30
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? copy_page_range+0x7d1/0x1540
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: dup_mmap+0x5c7/0x760
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: copy_process+0x1c7f/0x1d50
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: kernel_clone+0xbd/0x440
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? apparmor_file_alloc_security+0x1f/0xe0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: __do_sys_clone+0x66/0xa0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: __x64_sys_clone+0x25/0x40
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: do_syscall_64+0x58/0x90
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? exit_to_user_mode_prepare+0x39/0x190
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? syscall_exit_to_user_mode+0x37/0x60
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? do_syscall_64+0x67/0x90
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? exit_to_user_mode_prepare+0x39/0x190
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? irqentry_exit_to_user_mode+0x17/0x20
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? irqentry_exit+0x43/0x50
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ? exc_page_fault+0x94/0x1b0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x6e/0xd8
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RIP: 0033:0x7ff6fd2e3193
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Code: 00 00 00 00 00 66 90 64 48 8b 04 25 10 00 00 00 45 31 c0 31 d2 31 f6 bf 11 00 20 01 4c 8d 90 d0 02 00 00 b8 38 00 00 00 0f 05 <48> 3d 00 f0 ff ff 77 35 89 c2 85 c0 75 2c 64 48 8b 04 25 10 00 00
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RSP: 002b:00007fffc5149108 EFLAGS: 00000246 ORIG_RAX: 0000000000000038
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 0000000000000002 RCX: 00007ff6fd2e3193
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: 0000000001200011
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RBP: 0000000000000000 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R10: 00007ff6fd1d0a10 R11: 0000000000000246 R12: 0000000000000001
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R13: 00007fffc5149220 R14: 00007fffc51492a0 R15: 00007ff6fd50a020
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: </TASK>
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Modules linked in: tcp_diag inet_diag veth ebtable_filter ebtables ip_set ip6table_raw iptable_raw ip6table_filter ip6_tables iptable_filter bpfilter nf_tables nvme_fabrics softdog sunrpc binfmt_misc bonding tls nfnetlink_log nfnetlink snd_hda_codec_hdmi intel_rapl_msr snd_hda_codec_realtek intel_rapl_common snd_hda_codec_generic snd_sof_pci_intel_tgl intel_uncore_frequency ledtrig_audio snd_sof_intel_hda_common intel_uncore_frequency_common soundwire_intel snd_sof_intel_hda_mlink soundwire_cadence snd_sof_intel_hda snd_sof_pci snd_sof_xtensa_dsp snd_sof snd_sof_utils snd_soc_hdac_hda snd_hda_ext_core x86_pkg_temp_thermal snd_soc_acpi_intel_match intel_powerclamp snd_soc_acpi soundwire_generic_allocation coretemp soundwire_bus snd_soc_core kvm_intel i915 snd_compress kvm ac97_bus snd_pcm_dmaengine mt7921e snd_hda_intel btusb snd_intel_dspcfg mt7921_common btrtl snd_intel_sdw_acpi mt76_connac_lib irqbypass btbcm snd_hda_codec mt76 crct10dif_pclmul btintel polyval_clmulni btmtk drm_buddy polyval_generic
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: mac80211 snd_hda_core ghash_clmulni_intel ttm aesni_intel bluetooth snd_hwdep drm_display_helper crypto_simd snd_pcm cec cryptd snd_timer mei_hdcp cfg80211 snd mei_pxp rc_core cmdlinepart ecdh_generic rapl zfs(PO) spi_nor mei_me drm_kms_helper ecc soundcore libarc4 intel_cstate mtd mei i2c_algo_bit wmi_bmof pcspkr mac_hid acpi_pad acpi_tad spl(O) vhost_net vhost vhost_iotlb tap drm efi_pstore dmi_sysfs ip_tables x_tables autofs4 btrfs blake2b_generic xor raid6_pq dm_thin_pool dm_persistent_data dm_bio_prison dm_bufio libcrc32c xhci_pci nvme xhci_pci_renesas spi_intel_pci i2c_i801 nvme_core video crc32_pclmul xhci_hcd i40e thunderbolt igc spi_intel i2c_smbus nvme_common wmi pinctrl_tigerlake
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: ---[ end trace 0000000000000000 ]---
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RIP: 0010:copy_page_range+0x7d1/0x1540
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: Code: 48 89 85 48 ff ff ff e8 3d 8d ff ff 48 8b 8d 30 ff ff ff 48 85 c0 49 89 c6 74 53 48 89 c7 e8 66 68 ff ff 48 8b 8d 30 ff ff ff <f6> 40 18 01 48 89 c6 0f 85 e4 01 00 00 48 89 8d 30 ff ff ff f0 ff
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RSP: 0018:ffffc0f7c2b67a10 EFLAGS: 00010246
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RAX: 7b066e574545baac RBX: 000055861d76a000 RCX: 8000000156441845
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: 0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: RBP: ffffc0f7c2b67ba8 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R10: 0000000000000000 R11: 0000000000000000 R12: ffffa034e314bb50
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: R13: ffffa02608aeab50 R14: ffffe49c05591040 R15: 0000000000000010
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: FS: 00007ff6fd1d0740(0000) GS:ffffa0356f700000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: CS: 0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: CR2: 000055861a46efb8 CR3: 0000000107faa000 CR4: 0000000000752ee0
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: PKRU: 55555554
Feb 02 11:27:16 ms01 kernel: note: pvestatd[1271] exited with preempt_count 2

It was idle for the most part when it crashed.
Running one VM pinned to the E cores

 

[BlueChris]

Hello πατρίδα, just got email from support that my order (placed 12/01) was shipped from Hong Kong on January 19th and is expected to arrive in Germany in 7-10 days before being sent to me. I will also receive tracking number once it leaves from German warehouse.

I hope this is the case for me also.

I am not happy that i need to install proxmox to have any USB Controller in passthrough to my Personal Windows VM so i will stick with esxi at the start at least.
For this reason i ordered an m2 to USB 3 adapter with renesas chipset inside that i hope to be able to put it in the lowest speed m2 slot (its the 1st near the wifi card i think). I know the height is limited with the fan and the metal plate so i plan to dissasemble this and screw the fan somehow alone.
If this dont go as planned, i will buy a USB3.1 or usb3.2 or usb4 to nvme enclosure and i will put the m2 usb3 controller in there hoping that esxi will see this one with all the things in the middle ... never had anything usb4/thunderbolt before so i dont know what esxi will see.
For disks i will put a 990Pro2Tb in the fastest m.2 slot and a Optane P4801X 200GB in the 2nd m2 that will serve the esxi boot (32gb) and the rest will be l2arc and anything crucial that needs to be safe from a power outage (i have ups offcourse but you never know).
I want to keep the PCIE slot empty as long as possible to find a solution for a good gfx card...i dont mind to put a A2000 in it (without touching the card heatsink.. i will simply find a way to create an external sleeve to replace the metalic one with something 3d Printed).

I ordered many more things , adapters, usb-c hubs like the one i mention in my previous post, usb-c to display port, so it will be a Happy DIY time with this machine

 

[juri.burg]

It has the necessary equipment to support Intel vPro, so you have a kinda-sorta OOB solution. I've toyed around with vPro on my Asrock IMB-X1314 and it's Fine; certainly better than nothing, but I've found it buggier than an actual IPMI.

(That being said I use the now-defunct MeshCommander firmware loader, so perhaps that's buggier than other ways of interfacing with vPro.)

An alternative might be to add an pi-kvm pcie card. fot this to work you whould need an accessible front i/o header to get the romte power, reset button and activity led.

97.3US $ |BliKVM PCIe

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[Nonetoo]

Yeah! Even more heat in this very limited space in a small system that is already thermally challenged. Great idea! Burn, baby, burn!!!

Seriously, people who want a NAS, be it with HDDs or with SSDs, should look at a properly sized system with the proper I/O (and proper cooling!) rather than trying to cram even more hardware in a system which is designed to be SMALL.
The cheapest PCIe 4.0 switch card I've found (Broadcom P411W-32P) is more expensive than a MS-01. One could get a refurbished 1st/2nd gen. Xeon Scalable or EPYC system for that money.

Yes, a lenovo P520 (xeon) has way more PICE lanes and slots and makes a great cheap nas, but could I fit it easily in the underseat personal item backpack I use on airplanes?

 

[spuwho]

Guys i never had usb-c as monitor output so i bought this to get also some other outputs but now that i bought it, i thought to ask after to be sure that it will work with my Displayport monitor.

I don't foresee any issues personally, but make sure you read this first.

Cable Matters USB4 Mini Dock with Dual DisplayPort (201308) Performance Limitation when Connected to Thunderbolt 3 Hosts - Cable Matters Knowledge Base

 

[Nonetoo]

I just got my kit in today and it's working great with ProxMox.


I Ordered my unit back in December when it first went on sale, I was researching the HP & Lenovo minis at the time and this seemed so much more featured. 10GB, PCIe 4 x8 wired(wish it was x16) and USB4 was just too good to pass up, and I didnt know there were youtube reviews coming. I received it last monday but i had to go out of town and i was wrestling with getting 64GB ram or 96GB. I ended up going with 64GB since it was going to be a bit difficult to get my 4090 connected for AI work(Gaussian Splatting). If i upgrade to 96GB i'll probably just end up using the 64GB kit in anther mini PC or Laptop/Tablet. This will be my on set server for data and docker services when I shoot Films. I plan to add a 9500-8e and an Icy Dock 2 bay U.2 for 5.25" bay holding 2x 15TB Intel drives in a RAID 1. Then put everything inside a 3D Printed 5.25" bay enclosure to hold and hide the cables. I already have one holding an internal bluray drive for backing up/viewing my collection. Although I probably should get the 9500-16e and then i can get the 4 Bay, but i feel like 4Bay would be limited by the PCIe 4 x8 wiring. I'm new to server ssds and i am very open to learning anything and everything about them, i already own other used server components. And of course that 15TB 7mm Samsung internally sounds great too. Either way with the GL inet router as a repeater this should be a great off-grid/take anywhere server to hold my footage when i shoot and then some. I want to add NDI and other things that can help consolidate important info on set. By them time i'm done i'll have basically spent as much as a nice Thread Ripper Pro system lol (which i also kinda sorta want to build).

How are you planning to power the IcyDock? I've been also wanting to use IcyDock for a jbod, for a small pc or laptop even, but not sure how to power them.

Also are you / how planning to connect a 4090 to this minisforum?

Thanks!

 

[shmokey629]

How are you planning to power the IcyDock? I've been also wanting to use IcyDock for a jbod, for a small pc or laptop even, but not sure how to power them.

Also are you / how planning to connect a 4090 to this minisforum?

Thanks!

I've been looking into this, and basically the easiest way is probably going to be to get a regular, preferably fully modular, computer power supply and short a few pins on the motherboard connector to force it to turn on. Then you can just use the SATA ports without having anything else connected.

You can also find some AC to SATA/molex power bricks but not sure if I'd trust them enough for a permanent installation.

Personally I'm going to use a computer power supply, but it's probably going to take a few weeks before I get my HBA anyway, so not going to be able to report on that anytime soon. I'm open to better ideas though.

 

[shmokey629]

Setting up my unit which arrived today, without the HBA for now. I've already found the first major design flaw: when using the Logi Bolt USB receiver with the MS-01, the "logi" logo on the receiver is upside down

 

[Netleader]

I just ordered the version with the i5-12450H do you think it will work with 96gb ram?

 

[Joss]

^ Afaict, the 12th gen is 64 GB memory max: Intel® Core™ i5-12450H Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.40 GHz) Product Specifications

 

[shmokey629]

^ Afaict, the 12th gen is 64 GB memory max: Intel® Core™ i5-12450H Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.40 GHz) Product Specifications

You're not wrong but apparently it works on the 12900H at least: https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...nd-ram-compatibility-thread.42785/post-407875

 

[welcometors]

You're not wrong but apparently it works on the 12900H at least: https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...nd-ram-compatibility-thread.42785/post-407875

I have the 12900h model and it's working perfectly with Mushkin Redline 96GB (2x48GB) DDR5 Laptop 5200 CL40. I tested with proxmox memtest86+ for 8 passes.

 

[PigLover]

^ Afaict, the 12th gen is 64 GB memory max: Intel® Core™ i5-12450H Processor (12M Cache, up to 4.40 GHz) Product Specifications

There is long history of Intel understating RAM capabilities, all the way back to Pentium days. There were no 48gb sodimms available to test with when 12th gen laptop chips were released so ARK pages only listed what could be tested when they were published…and then they are never updated.

96gb works on 12th gen chips, but it is not ‘supported’.

 

[BlueChris]

I don't foresee any issues personally, but make sure you read this first.

Cable Matters USB4 Mini Dock with Dual DisplayPort (201308) Performance Limitation when Connected to Thunderbolt 3 Hosts - Cable Matters Knowledge Base

Oh .. the 2 USB4 ports on the box are not USB4?

 

[shmokey629]

I suppose this is not a surprise to anyone but Crucial 2x24GB 5600 kit (CT2K24G56C46S5) works fine w/ 13900H despite not being a very popular choice.

 

[MetalPhreak]

Setting up my unit which arrived today, without the HBA for now. I've already found the first major design flaw: when using the Logi Bolt USB receiver with the MS-01, the "logi" logo on the receiver is upside down

it's because all the ports are mounted on what is effectively the bottom side of the motherboard. The jacks dont really exist in the opposite orientation to buy. You'll find removing an RJ45 from the lan ports fun, as the locking tab is facing the edge where there is very little room for your fingers. To make something so compact and low cost, some compromises had to be made. Hardly a deal breaker.

 

[spuwho]

Oh .. the 2 USB4 ports on the box are not USB4?

Not what I was highlighting. I have seen some "USB4" docks not present themselves properly to the host so they lower the default speed. As the note said "some" TB/USB4 host controllers dont negotiate at the full TB/USB4 rate even through the vendors controller in the dock says it is.

Some have blamed cheap cables, some have blamed the cheap USB4 bridge chips in the hubs/docks themselves. So it might step down to TB3 or 10Gbps USB and you would lose some display abilities.

I have seen some blog posts on it, but it's just a heads up not a red flag.

 

[FreakyBigFoot]

So in the video, and on this page, they said it worked with a TL-D800S qnap but yet the PCIe card that comes with it, is not listed on the" PCIe Cards Tested " area. Can someone confirm it works?