ICX7150 for repair?

Indecided · Apr 8, 2020

Skud said:
So, three for three..

The last one I think lived a hot life. There was a lot of white dust inside and parts of the black plastic PCB covers were starting to crumble. I blew out the white dust and then felt oddly energetic and focused.

Anyways, after the PSU replacement it booted right-up. Seems to have come from the same place. Config had lots of VLANs. This one started at 2000 and I stopped around 3500.

Thank you once again fohdeesha for your wealth of knowledge and to everyone else who contributed to this thread!

Riley

White dust and focus, now that's a hypothesis.

That might add up to the assumption/hypothesis that maxing out the POE usage will lead to running the PSU near its rated load, thus the resulting heat/insufficient passive cooling might be the cause of early PSU failure? Would be nice if one could cram a 40mm fan in to prevent future failures if running at more then several POE devices. Of course, that sort of kills the part about being solid state/silent. Just something to move air over the PSU with a very low noise rating would be a good idea. But to find something that will run at ~50V? might be tough for a 40mm.

mimino · Apr 9, 2020

If anyone does not need all the ones you have obtained please shoot me a PM.

LodeRunner · Apr 9, 2020

bubsterboo said:
All 6 have to be flipped. The entire connector needs to be reversed.

If you're not sure about this I would suggest sharing a photo before you plug it in. You will damage something if this is done wrong.

So that's the pin order for the original PSU, 3 black, then 3 white, with the clip facing away. So I just need to swap all three white and black wires, right? Does order matter?

bubsterboo · Apr 9, 2020

LodeRunner said:
So that's the pin order for the original PSU, 3 black, then 3 white, with the clip facing away. So I just need to swap all three white and black wires, right? Does order matter?

Correct. Order of the individual back or white wires does not matter. All of the black wires are the same. All of the white wires are the same.
Here's some more photos you can compare against with the new PSU installed.
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Skud · Apr 10, 2020

Why not just swap the board connectors? Just get a small flat screwdriver and gently pry up. The one on the new PSU will probably break (all three of mine did) but we’re not using them anyways. Just work the fasteners side to side up the pins and then place in the correct orientation on the new board.

this way, you maintain the correct latch.

n17ikh · Apr 10, 2020

Mine just showed up. Power supply is dead with similar symptoms - the output voltage overshoots to ~65V in 40ms and then the supply goes into some kind of protection mode. I ran it up on a bench supply and it powered up no problem.

It looks like the seller might be getting greedy with those 56V power supplies; my $30 (and $35) offers were auto-declined.

n17ikh · Apr 10, 2020

Hmm, seller came back with a $60 offer for that SL Power PSU. Anyone got a good alternate source on an open frame supply?

LodeRunner · Apr 10, 2020

Yeah he did get greedy. I didn't get away with $35, but he did accept $45 a few days ago without countering. I wonder where he got them; same part on Mouser is over $100.

Someone on Reddit mentioned using a FSP 54v 2.2A unit that happened to end in a 4 pin ATX plug, I think these might be it: Lot of 5x FSP Group FSP120-AWAN2 Sparkle 54v 4-Prong Power Supply 2.22A | eBay

So you wouldn't hit the 130W the original is rated for. But apparently it works.

jzeus · Apr 10, 2020

n17ikh said:
Hmm, seller came back with a $60 offer for that SL Power PSU. Anyone got a good alternate source on an open frame supply?

He rejected my offer at $40 and jacked up list price. Here's a supplier from HK LB130S56K | Ault / SL Power LB130S56K Stock available from Infinite-Electronic.hk | LB130S56K with Best Price at Infinite-Electronic.hk .

fohdeesha · Apr 10, 2020

glad to hear you guys are having good luck with these

Indecided · Apr 10, 2020

The $40 price is achievable for a new SL Power PSU, the main challenge is the MOQ (160).

BTW, if anyone who is still in the repair stage with a bench-adjustable PSU, can you check if these guys will power up and run with proper POE delivery on 50.4V ? I did see a couple of open frame MeanWells that can be adjustable.

I was doing some reading and I would feel that folks who will be running a bunch of APs/POE devices on these guys might want to consider a higher powered PSU for it.

Looking at the datasheet for several of these open frame supplies show a derating of 33% running convection below 40 degrees Celsius.
Above 40 degrees to 60, there's a somewhat linear drop from 33% to just over 66%.

For example, if you're running this fella at 50 degrees Celcius,115v, the PSU is only rated for 50% load, meaning they only put out 1.16A at the above parameters. With high drain - running a lot of POE devices, and left hot, the 2.32A PSU is probably just going to be hung out to dry in a year or two.

For those that are running a couple of APs/CCTVs should probably be fine.

Indecided · Apr 11, 2020

I've been able to get a source for NOS Gospell G0493s (G0493 250W for PoE Switch with CB CE-Open Frame Power Supply-Shenzhen Gospell Digital Technology Co.,Ltd.-Shenzhen Gospell Digital Technology Co.,Ltd.) which put out 3.4A via convection or 4.4A fan cooled. Same form factor and connectors.

I would expect costs to run ~$45-$55 + ship.

Yes, this places it in approximately the same price range as the eBay one, but this has significantly higher rated power (@ convection) and thus might prove to be more long-lasting given the above derating.

Let me know if anybody is interested. If there is enough interest i'll organize a bulk buy of sorts.

n17ikh · Apr 11, 2020

Indecided said:
The $40 price is achievable for a new SL Power PSU, the main challenge is the MOQ (160).

BTW, if anyone who is still in the repair stage with a bench-adjustable PSU, can you check if these guys will power up and run with proper POE delivery on 50.4V ? I did see a couple of open frame MeanWells that can be adjustable.

I was doing some reading and I would feel that folks who will be running a bunch of APs/POE devices on these guys might want to consider a higher powered PSU for it.

Looking at the datasheet for several of these open frame supplies show a derating of 33% running convection below 40 degrees Celsius.
Above 40 degrees to 60, there's a somewhat linear drop from 33% to just over 66%.

For example, if you're running this fella at 50 degrees Celcius,115v, the PSU is only rated for 50% load, meaning they only put out 1.16A at the above parameters. With high drain - running a lot of POE devices, and left hot, the 2.32A PSU is probably just going to be hung out to dry in a year or two.

For those that are running a couple of APs/CCTVs should probably be fine.

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Unfortunately, mine shuts the POE ports down right around 50.6 volts. After the voltage is brought back up the PoE comes back online.

I did notice that on the original power supply there are some crispy components on the daughterboard on the output side near the optocoupler. Looks like a small SMT resistor and a small three-pin IC that is probably a MOSFET got too hot. Not the kind of failure mode I expected and might be evidence of overvoltage on the output. Otherwise the power supply looks like quite a nice unit, heavy heatsinking and well built.
I tested a license upgrade (license install perpetual 1 2x10gr). It applied immediately and I was able to get the SFP+ ports to come up with a Cisco DAC after configuring their speed for 10g-full (they came up at 1gbit by default; perhaps from having been configured that way when it was licensed as 2x1G). This seems like a pretty nice switch so far.

TheCodeLife · Apr 13, 2020

Indecided said:
The $40 price is achievable for a new SL Power PSU, the main challenge is the MOQ (160).

BTW, if anyone who is still in the repair stage with a bench-adjustable PSU, can you check if these guys will power up and run with proper POE delivery on 50.4V ? I did see a couple of open frame MeanWells that can be adjustable.

I was doing some reading and I would feel that folks who will be running a bunch of APs/POE devices on these guys might want to consider a higher powered PSU for it.

Looking at the datasheet for several of these open frame supplies show a derating of 33% running convection below 40 degrees Celsius.
Above 40 degrees to 60, there's a somewhat linear drop from 33% to just over 66%.

For example, if you're running this fella at 50 degrees Celcius,115v, the PSU is only rated for 50% load, meaning they only put out 1.16A at the above parameters. With high drain - running a lot of POE devices, and left hot, the 2.32A PSU is probably just going to be hung out to dry in a year or two.

For those that are running a couple of APs/CCTVs should probably be fine.

View attachment 13539

You do seem to be correct that many open frame power supplies have significant derating. However, the spec sheet for this specific PSU claims there is no derating at least up to 70C. Here is a link to the spec sheet: https://assets.alliedelec.com/v1553162720/Datasheets/ac954dc0fc6bc8a2394c8c1f2c657ea9.pdf

I also find it interesting the PSU should be able to handle short duration loads up to 200 watts at 50C. This also makes me wonder if the PSU is basically the same as the LB240S which has the same 130 watt output rating at 70C (and looks strikingly similar visually).

Adding to everyone else's success stories, I also purchased 3 of the switches and 3 power supplies. All 3 switches are running well with the 130 watt PSUs recommended by fohdeesha. Unfortunately, 1 of the 3 power supplies I received does not maintain it's voltage when plugging in any POE device, so the POE shuts off moments after plugging the device in to the port. I expect a replacement of that power supply will rectify the issue.

Indecided · Apr 14, 2020

TheCodeLife said:
You do seem to be correct that many open frame power supplies have significant derating. However, the spec sheet for this specific PSU claims there is no derating at least up to 70C. Here is a link to the spec sheet: https://assets.alliedelec.com/v1553162720/Datasheets/ac954dc0fc6bc8a2394c8c1f2c657ea9.pdf

I also find it interesting the PSU should be able to handle short duration loads up to 200 watts at 50C. This also makes me wonder if the PSU is basically the same as the LB240S which has the same 130 watt output rating at 70C (and looks strikingly similar visually).

Adding to everyone else's success stories, I also purchased 3 of the switches and 3 power supplies. All 3 switches are running well with the 130 watt PSUs recommended by fohdeesha. Unfortunately, 1 of the 3 power supplies I received does not maintain it's voltage when plugging in any POE device, so the POE shuts off moments after plugging the device in to the port. I expect a replacement of that power supply will rectify the issue.

I'm guessing the PSU can actually put out a bit more if you give it some airflow, but they probably derated it for convection and conduction applications. This batch of broken units probably had the unfortunate task of running a full 12 port POE AP load and was probably stuck in a riser somewhere convenient. I'm guessing most of us would be running them in a bit more friendly environments, so hopefully they will outlast the PSUs this round.

Picked up several of the 3.4A/4.4A Gospower units, so hopefully those should last until the next 40G upgrade.

LodeRunner · Apr 14, 2020

Thought for sure I had burned out my first attempt because I pulled the clip connector from the old PSU, put it on the new, but didn't flip it (whoops). Unplugged, fixed the stupid, plugged it in and it booted!

Code:

Brocade Bootloader: 10.1.09T225 (Feb 17 2017 - 16:15:27 -0800)

Booted from partition 2
DRAM:  Validate Shmoo parameters stored in flash ..... OK

ICX7150-12 (POE), PVT1
SYS CPLD VER: 0x4 Released Ver: 0x3

device 0 offset 0x0, size 0xc0000
Enter 'b' to stop at boot monitor:  0
device 0 offset 0x0, size 0xc0000
bootdelay: ===
Booting image from Primary

NAND read: device 0 offset 0x0, size 0x2000000
 33554432 bytes read: OK
## Loading kernel from FIT Image at 70000200 ...
   Using 'conf@1' configuration
   Trying 'kernel@2' kernel subimage
     Description:  Brocade Linux MN
     Type:         Kernel Image
     Compression:  lzma compressed
     Data Start:   0x70208e64
     Data Size:    2137958 Bytes = 2 MiB
     Architecture: ARM
     OS:           Linux
     Load Address: 0x61008000
     Entry Point:  0x61008000
     Hash algo:    crc32
     Hash value:   2c7dfff2
## Loading kernel from FIT Image at 70000200 ...
   Using 'conf@1' configuration
   Trying 'kernel@2' kernel subimage
     Description:  Brocade Linux MN
     Type:         Kernel Image
     Compression:  lzma compressed
     Data Start:   0x70208e64
     Data Size:    2137958 Bytes = 2 MiB
     Architecture: ARM
     OS:           Linux
     Load Address: 0x61008000
     Entry Point:  0x61008000
     Hash algo:    crc32
     Hash value:   2c7dfff2
   Verifying Hash Integrity ... crc32+ OK
## Loading ramdisk from FIT Image at 70000200 ...
   Using 'conf@1' configuration
   Trying 'ramdisk@1' ramdisk subimage
     Description:  Ramdisk -rootfs
     Type:         RAMDisk Image
     Compression:  lzma compressed
     Data Start:   0x704197c8
     Data Size:    19641528 Bytes = 18.7 MiB
     Architecture: ARM
     OS:           Linux
     Load Address: 0x00000000
     Entry Point:  0x00000000
     Hash algo:    crc32
     Hash value:   27dad9a7
   Verifying Hash Integrity ... crc32+ OK
## Loading fdt from FIT Image at 70000200 ...
   Using 'conf@1' configuration
   Trying 'fdt@3' fdt subimage
     Description:  Flattened Device Tree blob - Minion.dtb
     Type:         Flat Device Tree
     Compression:  uncompressed
     Data Start:   0x70417570
     Data Size:    8605 Bytes = 8.4 KiB
     Architecture: ARM
     Hash algo:    crc32
     Hash value:   ea68dce3
   Verifying Hash Integrity ... crc32+ OK
   Loading fdt from 0x70417570 to 0x65008000
   Booting using the fdt blob at 0x65008000
   Uncompressing Kernel Image ... OK
   Using Device Tree in place at 65008000, end 6500d19c

Starting kernel ...

booting with 4.4 kernel
dd cmd: UBI
ubi0 error: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 4096 bytes from PEB                                                                   15:4096, read 4096 bytes
ubi0 error: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 1040384 bytes from                                                                   PEB 475:8192, read 1040384 bytes
ubi0 error: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 1040384 bytes from                                                                   PEB 475:8192, read 1040384 bytes
UBIFS error (ubi0:0 pid 542): ubifs_recover_master_node: failed to recover maste                                                                  r node
UBIFS error (ubi0:0 pid 542): ubifs_recover_master_node: dumping first master no                                                                  de
        magic          0x6101831
        crc            0x832e91af
        node_type      7 (master node)
        group_type     0 (no node group)
        sqnum          8472
        len            512
        highest_inum   90
        commit number  5
        flags          0x3
        log_lnum       5
        root_lnum      10
        root_offs      9328
        root_len       88
        gc_lnum        12
        ihead_lnum     10
        ihead_offs     12288
        index_size     1632
        lpt_lnum       6
        lpt_offs       28835
        nhead_lnum     6
        nhead_offs     32768
        ltab_lnum      6
        ltab_offs      28672
        lsave_lnum     0
        lsave_offs     0
        lscan_lnum     10
        leb_cnt        1364
        empty_lebs     1350
        idx_lebs       1
        total_free     1406873600
        total_dirty    1790448
        total_used     14256
        total_dead     0
        total_dark     11083776
mount: mounting ubi0:config on /fast_iron failed: Invalid argument

Mounting Config partition failed, non-recoverable file system corruption
Reformatting the flash, please download config and keys again ...

Formatting Done
Config partition repaired and mounted
Resource partition is mounted!!
dma_mem_base: 0x96000000, dma_mem_len: 0x8000000, warm_mem_base: 0x9f500000, war                                                                  m_mem_len: 0xb00000
Creating TUN device
Starting the FastIron.
i2c-0   smbus           iproc-smb-1                             SMBus adapter  3
i2c-1   smbus           iproc-smb-1                             SMBus adapter  3
FIPS Disabled:PORT NOT DISABLED
platform type 90
OS>
Loaded Image SPS08060 from Pri Built on (UTC): Sat Feb 18 00:07:03 2017
Applying factory defaults..
INFO: startup config data is not available, try to read from backup
INFO: startup config data in the backup area is not available
set_board_level: gi_board_type = 116DMA pool size: 134217728
                                                            PHY Reset De-asserte                                                                  d
sw_pp_sdk_init:111 ToR init for Minion  Board
SOC unit 0 attached to PCI device BCM56160_B0
Pre Parsing Config Data ...
INFO: empty config data in the primary area, try to read from backup
INFO: empty config data in the backup area also

Parsing Config Data ...
INFO: empty config data in the primary area, try to read from backup
INFO: empty config data in the backup area also

Hotplugger Daemon Initialized ..

System initialization completed...console going online.
  Copyright (c) 1996-2017 Brocade Communications Systems, Inc. All rights reserved.
    UNIT 1: compiled on Feb 17 2017 at 16:03:13 labeled as SPS08060
      (23946048 bytes) from Primary
        SW: Version 08.0.60T211
      Compressed Boot-Monitor Image size = 786944, Version:10.1.09T225 (mnz10109)
       Compiled on Sat Feb 18 00:15:43 2017

  HW: Stackable ICX7150-C12-POE
==========================================================================
UNIT 1: SL 1: ICX7150-C12-2X1G POE 12-port Management Module
      Serial  #:
      Current License:
      P-ASIC  0: type B160, rev 11  Chip BCM56160_B0
==========================================================================
UNIT 1: SL 2: ICX7150-2X1GC 2-port 2G Module
==========================================================================
UNIT 1: SL 3: ICX7150-2X10GF 2-port 20G Module
==========================================================================
 1000 MHz ARM processor ARMv7 88 MHz bus
 8192 KB boot flash memory
 2048 MB code flash memory
 1024 MB DRAM
STACKID 1  system uptime is 5 second(s)
The system started at 00:01:51 GMT+00 Sat Jan 01 2000

The system : started=cold start

ICX7150-C12 Switch>
ICX7150-C12 Switch>
PS 1, Internal Power supply  detected.
PS 1, Internal Power supply  is up.
PoE Info: Adding new 54V capacity of 124000 mW, total capacity is 124000, total free capacity is 124000

ICX7150-C12 Switch>enPoE Info: PoE module 1 of Unit 1 on ports 1/1/1 to 1/1/12 detected. Initializing....
PoE Event Trace Log Buffer for 2000 log entries allocated
PoE Event Trace Logging enabled...
ablePoE Info: PoE module 1 of Unit 1 initialization is done.

No password has been assigned yet...

n17ikh · Apr 15, 2020

Got my SL Power PSU in. One of the PCB corners was bent upwards, but only the mounting hole is in that location, so I suspect it'll be fine. I might see if the seller will send me another one, delamination is a long-term kind of issue. It does power up and run. This is a live-heatsink design (The OEM one wasn't, but most consumer supplies are), so be sure to use the insulating plastic above and below. I didn't bother to switch any pins around, if you apply enough force to the retention plastic on the PSU side it flexes out of the way and you can plug the connector on with the right polarity.

I also found this while surfing around for rack mounting parts:
RUCKUS ICX7150-C12P-2X1G Switch L3 Managed 12 -Port 7150-C12P | eBay

Bit more of a gamble as the price is doubled but it could still be a deal. Sounds like the same symptoms.

alsenior · May 11, 2020

Just to add to the success stories. Finally got my devices that were sat at my offices for over a month and swapped out the power supplies. 2 Switches done . 2 successes.

mimino · May 11, 2020

It may have been answered already, and if it has I apologize... Are there different versions of this switch with 1Gb/10Gb SFP+? Or they're all the same and it's only a matter of license? Thanks in advance!

Indecided · May 11, 2020

I haven't gotten mine fixed yet, still waiting for my PSUs this week, but from reading, it's a honor system. You simply enable the license.

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