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painkoyo

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Has anyone tried using a W790 chipset motherboard other than the Asus W790 with the SPR-SP D0 CPU? I found some very cheap HP Z4G5 workstation motherboards that use the W790 chipset, but I was told that they can only be used with W-24** series CPUs.
 

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Has anyone tried using a W790 chipset motherboard other than the Asus W790 with the SPR-SP D0 CPU? I found some very cheap HP Z4G5 workstation motherboards that use the W790 chipset, but I was told that they can only be used with W-24** series CPUs.
There is a branch here about ASRock WS motherboards and D0 processors. Findings with Asrock W790-WS, Xeon SPR-SP D0, and BCLK OC (and lack thereof) Bottom line - it works on ASRock, for the rest - the only way to tell is to try, no manufacturer guarantees that ES processors will work but so far it's 2 working for 2 tried. Well, 4 for 4 if you count Asus and ASRock variants.
 
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Has anyone tried using a W790 chipset motherboard other than the Asus W790 with the SPR-SP D0 CPU?
i got D0 & E0 working on supermicro X13SRA-TF because i got the board with very old Intel ME,
any update of the ME blocked any ES from starting(they helt in reset by ME)
the ME is useless for others because it is in initialized state, cleaning is impossible because the ME Tools v16.10/11 are not avail. so far.
 
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doesn't sound good, but thanks for your reply!
and by the way, can anyone provide info on this motherboard, like is it a w790 chipset or a c741? I can't find any info anywhere.
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doesn't sound good, but thanks for your reply!
and by the way, can anyone provide info on this motherboard, like is it a w790 chipset or a c741? I can't find any info anywhere.
W790. It is a motherboard for Dell Precision T7960 workstation, here’s the link to its page Dell site. It says it supports Xeon W-34xx processors so it is definitely W790.IMG_0570.jpeg
Does motherboard look familiar? :)
 

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doesn't sound good, but thanks for your reply!
and by the way, can anyone provide info on this motherboard, like is it a w790 chipset or a c741? I can't find any info anywhere.
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attention: Dell uses proprietäry pin layout for the 24pin,not ATX.
you need all the expensive PSU and PDU.
in EU i can provide Q08S E0 for testing, have also 12C/112L W5-3425 E3 QS who needs new home.
 
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truly impressive expertise!
my main goal is using SPR-SP ES CPU to test 300 series optane dcpmm with different SKU. since i have succeeded with C741 chipset and Q079, i am wondering the possibility to power (or even overclocking) them with W790 chipset, so i am looking for some suitable W790 motherboards. I’m short on funds, so I have to be thrifty.
anyway, thanks for all the info.
 
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and Q079, i am wondering the possibility to power (or even overclocking) them with W790 chipset, so i am looking for some suitable W790 motherboards.
Q079 is locked, so you can OC only by BCLK. this works only with ASRock W790 WS R1.0(Hyper BCLK Engine)
on all other boards your PCIe etc clocks are rising with the BCLK and get unfunctional at some point.
for the HP/Dell W790 boards it is highly possible the intel ME don't start the D0/E0 ES like the SM X13SRA-TF.
remember my X13SRA-TF starts ES only with early/old ME 16.10.0.1400, next ME ver. 16.10.5.1562 blocks ES from start.
there is a way out, you can update early/old ME but keeping the ES friendly config.

Dell 7960 BIOS 1.0.5( 25 Apr. 2023 ) missing D0 microcode but E0 supported.
HP Z4 G5 WS BIOS 01.01.27 Rev.A ( Nov 16, 2023 ) removed whole D0 support, E0 supported.
 

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Q079 is locked, so you can OC only by BCLK. this works only with ASRock W790 WS R1.0(Hyper BCLK Engine)
on all other boards your PCIe etc clocks are rising with the BCLK and get unfunctional at some point.
for the HP/Dell W790 boards it is highly possible the intel ME don't start the D0/E0 ES like the SM X13SRA-TF.
remember my X13SRA-TF starts ES only with early/old ME 16.10.0.1400, next ME ver. 16.10.5.1562 blocks ES from start.
there is a way out, you can update early/old ME but keeping the ES friendly config.

Dell 7960 BIOS 1.0.5( 25 Apr. 2023 ) missing D0 microcode but E0 supported.
HP Z4 G5 WS BIOS 01.01.27 Rev.A ( Nov 16, 2023 ) removed whole D0 support, E0 supported.
extremely helpful info, think you.

all BIOS for W790 lack dcpmm support because Xeon Ws don't support them at all.
in fact, the whole idea comes from a chart made by Yuuki_Ans:
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if the leak was true, Intel may have been planning support for DCPMM on WS for quite some time at least, and perhaps the W790 has remained compatible, the reason why we can't use DCPMM on W790 is just W-24xx/34xx CPUs do not contain a memory controller that is adapted for DCPMM? and since SPR-SP D0 has proved to contain it, this maybe worth a try?
 
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if the leak was true, Intel may have been planning support for DCPMM on WS for quite some time at least
no,all final stepping QS.
Intel® Optane™ Persistent Memory Supported - No

if you believe some chinese sellers, all SPR-SP also have 4x16GB HBM built in.
and since SPR-SP D0 has proved to contain it, this maybe worth a try?
You may have missed the fact that Intel no longer supports DCPMM 300, this includes intel MRC packages for BIOS support.
besides there were steppings after D0 because they have bugs.
 
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indeed, i think you're right. maybe I should shift my attention to lga7529.
thanks again for all your help.
 

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indeed, i think you're right. maybe I should shift my attention to lga7529.
i don't think pmem 300 is supported there.
or LGA4710 ? maybe cheaper boards.
thanks again for all your help.
checked some old conv's
one of my contacts tried pmem 300 on ASUS SAGE with D0 ES, pmem not detected(i checked BIOS for options but found none)
also very hard to get MM on gigabyte boards.
 

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my friend successfully powered four of his pmem 300(SKU: NMC2XAD512GQS) with Gigabyte MS03-CE0 and Q079, others have bad firmware version and can't go through self-check.
powering and get to memory mode are two diff. things. and if you have luck, never update your BIOS.
 

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powering and get to memory mode are two diff. things. and if you have luck, never update your BIOS.
yes, i know. he tried both two modes and told me the restrictions on the capacity ratio between DRAM and DCPMM in this generation(Ruby Pass) are stricter in MM mode than the last one, and it cannot be lower than 1/8. AD mode, as usual, is of no limit.
and if you have luck, never update your BIOS.
that's true
 

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but dual SPR ES D0 doesn't scale good in CBR23 for some reason, CBR24 looks better.
that nice, thanks for pointing me out. I have considered CBR23 as baseline for my task. My real usage involving all cores utilization, no limits, full load.
 

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Q079 is locked, so you can OC only by BCLK. this works only with ASRock W790 WS R1.0(Hyper BCLK Engine)
on all other boards your PCIe etc clocks are rising with the BCLK and get unfunctional at some point.
for the HP/Dell W790 boards it is highly possible the intel ME don't start the D0/E0 ES like the SM X13SRA-TF.
remember my X13SRA-TF starts ES only with early/old ME 16.10.0.1400, next ME ver. 16.10.5.1562 blocks ES from start.
there is a way out, you can update early/old ME but keeping the ES friendly config.

Dell 7960 BIOS 1.0.5( 25 Apr. 2023 ) missing D0 microcode but E0 supported.
HP Z4 G5 WS BIOS 01.01.27 Rev.A ( Nov 16, 2023 ) removed whole D0 support, E0 supported.
how update early/old ME but keeping the ES friendly config.? if buy this mb, how can i confirmation its ME version is 16.10.0.1400?