DEAD: HGST SSD1600MM - HUSMM1640ASS201 - 400GB US $47.95 OBO

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  1. nephri

    nephri Active Member

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    You can use a service like shipito
     
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  2. josh

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    You could have bought those $74 960GB PM953s with that money but they're TLC..
     
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  3. josh

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    Is it a sin to run these in single channel SAS? I want to stick some of these in a tower chassis and I was looking at the MB326SP-B which would save a lot of space but would basically destroy any benefit of them being SAS.
     
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  4. itronin

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    LOL No. - however you will have a heck of a time fitting them in that cage. May need an angle grinder and that would be a sin.

    Drives are 15mm thick. They won't fit in any of the express products. if you want icy dock you can take a look at the tough armor series.
     
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  5. josh

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    Completely forgot about the drive height lol. Not looking for icy dock in particular, just something compact and neat, can't imagine the nightmare of cables for >10 drives without a backplane.
     
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  6. Ryan B

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    Thanks for sharing this. I picked up 8 of these SSDs and it's my first time coming across type 2 data protection.

    I ended up using VT-d to pass through an LSI HBA to an Ubuntu 18.04 VM (and installing sg3-utils) to run the command you provided. After confirming it worked for me, I threw together a few commands to find all of the HUSMM1640ASS20E devices and reformat each of them. This might be useful for anyone needing to reformat more than just a few of these drives:

    Code:
    ubuntu@hostname:~$ HGST_SSDS=($(sudo sg_scan -i | grep -Pzo '\/dev\/\w+(?=[^\n]+\s+[\w-]+\s+HUSMM1640ASS20E)' | tr '\0' '\n'))
    ubuntu@hostname:~$ echo "${HGST_SSDS[@]}"
    /dev/sg0 /dev/sg1 /dev/sg2 /dev/sg3
    ubuntu@hostname:~$ for DISK in "${HGST_SSDS[@]}"; do sudo sg_format --format --size=512 --fmtpinfo=0 $DISK -v; done
    
    I haven't tested this with any other configurations or OSes, so make sure to stop and take a look at the output of that echo command to make sure it lists the devices you're expecting before proceeding.
     
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  7. Burksdb

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    Nice! i picked up 4 and was looking for a way to do more then 1 at a time. Ended up scripting it to open a new screen for each ssd and 20 other sas drives to run at once.
     
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  8. awedio

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    What HBA are you guys using?
    My LSI 9300-4i does not "see" any of the drives!
     
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  9. jcl333

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    Hello all, just thought I would post my experience here so that I can help anyone who needs it. And I also have a question I can use some help with.

    I have a bunch of these HUSMM1640ASS201 drives, I have no trouble reformatting them to 512, but as mentioned earlier in this thread, they are configured at 6G when they actually do support 12G, it would be really nice to do that.
    - I did run into trouble and errors with my first sg_format attempt, but I found a newer version and that fixed it (I can let people know the version if anyone needs this), and this worked from Windows without going into Linux.

    Here is my setup:
    - Broadcom 9400 16i HBA, I added two Noctua fans to the card to keep it cool, works perfectly
    - I was able to find a download for the Windows version of the LSI management software and drivers from the Lenovo site, works great
    - Nice thing is that I can flash all three (four?) types of firmware for this card from Windows with this software, very easy
    - External cabling to an old QNAP 10-bay that I am re-purposing as an external JBOD (just upgraded the fans)
    - Intel 12G expander is the only thing in the external box (even came with an adapter to run the power supply with no MB)
    - Windows Server 2019 datacenter edition, using storage spaces
    - A really nice feature is the deduplication, within a few days it de-duplicated about 4TB
    - I plan to use 2~4 of these SSDs so that I can create a "RAID6" parity volume with read/write caching to the SSDs
    - This only works if you have at least 2 eSSD's with PLP, I read that it will detect if they have it and only work if it does

    My question - has anyone actually had success changing them to 12G? When I load up the Niagara software it says "license expired, please download the latest version" and that is as far as I get.

    -JCL
     
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  10. Ryan B

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    I'm using a Dell R710 and I don't have access to a SAS3 HBA or backplane, so I've only tested with SAS2 (6gbps). I currently have 4 of these drives in a hardware RAID 10 using a Dell PERC H700 and another 4 drives connected to a Dell PERC H200 flashed to LSI IT-mode firmware and passed through to a VM running OmniOS with Nappit. I haven't had any issues with them being detected so far.

    Do you have access to something like this to rule out any potential issues with the backplane?

    I was operating under the assumption that the drives should be able to operate at 12gbps SAS3 as long as they're connected to a backplane with proper SAS3 support and SAS3 RAID/HBA using SAS3-capable cables (I believe these would be SFF-8643 to SFF-8643 internal cables).

    If anyone is currently running these drives at SAS3 12gbps, I'd also be very interested to hear about it. I plan on eventually upgrading to a system with SAS3 support and I'm really curious what the performance is like.

    Someone provided the datasheet for these drives on an earlier page (https://documents.westerndigital.co...sas-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-ssd1600mm.pdf) which lists some performance numbers:
    • 1100MB/s / 765MB/s sequential R/W
    • 130K / 100K IOPS random R/W
    • 110K IOPS on 70/30 mix R/W
    Edit: One additional note: I didn't initially reformat these to 512 byte sector size and they actually seemed to work fine both in hardware RAID and when passing through my IT-mode HBA to a Windows Server 2016 VM and OmniOS VM for ZFS. I didn't do a ton of performance testing before reformatting them them but performance seemed the same to be before/after the reformat. I mainly chose to do the reformat since it seems to be recommended on these forums.
     
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  11. awedio

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    @Ryan B That's exactly what I'm doing (no backplane), just going from 8643 to 4x 8482 breakout cables.
     
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  12. Ryan B

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    Well that's a bit concerning.

    I have zero experience with 12gbps SAS3, so I'm not going to be the best person to help troubleshoot this, but could you share some more details like what OS this is running under and full hardware config? Maybe someone else with more knowledge on this will have an answer.

    I wish I had the means to test this myself. I'll need to buy a SAS HBA at some point, so maybe I should do that sooner rather than later just for testing.
     
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  13. itronin

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    and then there were none.
     
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  14. awedio

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    @itronin What HBA are you running? SAS3 HBA is not doing it for me, might have to find a SAS2 or try the Dell H330?
     
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  15. itronin

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    Right now they are all on some flashed HP H220's (P20 IT mode). SM SAS2 expander backplanes.

    I'll also be hooking a couple up to a DELL PERC H310. SM TQ backplane just to see.

    I have a SAS 3 controller, DELL HBA330 I'd need to dig out or a box but no cable right now.
    About to leave on a 10 day work trip at the end of the week so unlikely a cable will come in time but am looking at ordering a breakout one 'cause I'm really curious about these drives not showing up as SAS3. It is certainly possible that they either have IBM firmware limiting them to SAS2 or a setting presets to limit to SAS2.
     
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  16. awedio

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    I have some other SAS3 drives (HUSMM8040ASS20), they show up fine on the 9300-4i HBA.
     
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  17. awedio

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    Hooked up a 24 port SAS2 JBOD to an X9DR3-LN4F+ via 2x LSI 9207-8e.
    o/s is Fedora 30.

    Code:
    [root@localhost ~]# sg_scan -i
    /dev/sg0: scsi1 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]
        ATA       INTEL SSDSC2BB12  MD10 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg1: scsi6 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]
        Kingston  DataTraveler 3.0  PMAP [rmb=1 cmdq=0 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg2: scsi10 channel=0 id=0 lun=0
        LSI CORP  SAS2X36           0717 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0xd]
    /dev/sg3: scsi10 channel=0 id=1 lun=0
        LSI CORP  SAS2X36           0717 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0xd]
    
    Interesting it "see's" the expanders.
    Time to connect some drives!
     
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  18. awedio

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    Voila!!
    Installed only 4 drives...
    Love me some dual port SAS drives :)

    Code:
    [root@localhost ~]# sg_scan -i
    /dev/sg0: scsi1 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]
        ATA       INTEL SSDSC2BB12  MD10 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg1: scsi6 channel=0 id=0 lun=0 [em]
        Kingston  DataTraveler 3.0  PMAP [rmb=1 cmdq=0 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg2: scsi10 channel=0 id=0 lun=0
        LSI CORP  SAS2X36           0717 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0xd]
    /dev/sg3: scsi10 channel=0 id=1 lun=0
        LSI CORP  SAS2X36           0717 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0xd]
    /dev/sg4: scsi10 channel=0 id=2 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg5: scsi10 channel=0 id=3 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg6: scsi10 channel=0 id=4 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg7: scsi10 channel=0 id=5 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg8: scsi10 channel=0 id=6 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg9: scsi10 channel=0 id=7 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg10: scsi10 channel=0 id=8 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    /dev/sg11: scsi10 channel=0 id=9 lun=0
        IBM-ESXS  HUSMM1640ASS20E   N4C8 [rmb=0 cmdq=1 pqual=0 pdev=0x0]
    
     
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  19. awedio

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    Interesting question...
    Why does the SAS3 HBA (9300-4i) without expander not "recognize" these drives?

    I'll format, set 'em to 512 & remove Type2 and then connect them to the 9300-4i.

    Hopefully, tomorrow, I can test some more drives in a SM box with SAS3 expander.
     
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  20. awedio

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    More info using @Ryan B code.
    4 drives connected in Slots 0-3.

    Code:
    [root@localhost ~]# HGST_SSDS=($(sudo sg_scan -i | grep -Pzo '\/dev\/\w+(?=[^\n]+\s+[\w-]+\s+HUSMM1640ASS20E)' | tr '\0' '\n'))
    [root@localhost ~]# echo "${HGST_SSDS[@]}"
    /dev/sg4 /dev/sg5 /dev/sg6 /dev/sg7 /dev/sg8 /dev/sg9 /dev/sg10 /dev/sg11
    
     
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