CWWK/Topton/... Nxxx quad NIC router
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"CWWK" N100 PSA:
Always ask for (or choose) the "AliExpress chassis"
It costs an extra $22.
Benefit: much, much better cooling.
**AliExpress chassis has the straight fins**
Always ask for (or choose) the "AliExpress chassis"
It costs an extra $22.
Benefit: much, much better cooling.
**AliExpress chassis has the straight fins**
Posting an update on my experience with the N305 based device.So far so good! I upgraded my other proxmox host to 8 and clustered them together for ease of use. This fanless system runs like a champ.
Recap: Ordered the unit with no mem or ssd. Added a 32 gig samsung DDR5 SODIMM and a 2tb Samsung 970 evo plus. Installed proxmox 8 the day it went gold.
Running OPNSense as VM as my router. Passed the 2nd and 3rd NICs to the VM for wan and lan. Nic 1 is the VM host network. All interfaces connected at 2.5gbit.
There is a CT running the Omeda controller for my Tplink AP and another VM running Ubuntu server as a Docker host for network-related containers. (Wiregaurd, Nginx reverse proxy server) - I may move wiregaurd to the OPNSense but it was trivial to migrate the container over without re-doing my existing setup.
Runs great. My internet tops out at 500mbit and at full tilt it bumps cpu usage up maybe 8 percent. I'll bet getting gigabit in a month but I don't think it will have any problems.
Temps are acceptable given the circumstance. In a closet in my currently-un-airconditioned-in-california-summer apartment (In the office rn) it's hovering 50c. Last night I added a heatsink to the SSD and that seems to have brought it's temps down a good 10C.
sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0: +53.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0: +53.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1: +53.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2: +53.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3: +53.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 4: +51.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 5: +51.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 6: +51.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 7: +51.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1: +27.8°C (crit = +110.0°C)
nvme-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite: +70.8°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +84.8°C)
(crit = +84.8°C)
Sensor 1: +70.8°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)
Sensor 2: +72.8°C (low = -273.1°C, high = +65261.8°C)
The case really is doing it's job! When I pulled the unit to add the SSD heatsink the case cooled off very quickly. It really dissipates the heat. The temperatures monitored track the ambient temp in my apartment degree-for-degree. Might add a fan, but probably not nessissary.
Hi, Thx for suggestions.Have you checked out these threads on the Proxmox forums? It has a few suggestions to try:
ZFS disk benchmark causes crash
New to Proxmox doing some testing on and old pc before I move my esxi server over. When running a benchmark on a 4 drive raidz seeing really high speed assuming its using the ram as a cache. However every time I do a benchmark on the zfs disk it's crashing . What cache setting should I use for...forum.proxmox.com
[KNOWN ZFS PROBLEM] Freezing while high IO (only on host - not guest)
EDIT: As I find out that high IO will only result in freezing while performed on host, not guests please skip to post #19 as there are new findings. I'm basically reposting issue that I have with backups to FreeNAS from this post...
One more to add: Is the firmware on your SN700s updated?
Firmware is in latest version (111150wd). And I've just installed proxmox on single disk, and fio doesn't crash the system.
What I've also noticed that one disk runs considerably slower (~800MB/s vs ~2000 MB/s), probably because it has less active pcie lanes (downgraded in the output below):
Do you got any idea if some BIOS setting needs to be changed? or this is inherent issue with this default m.2 to wifi port adapter?
fio -direct=1 -iodepth=64 -rw=write -ioengine=libaio -bs=1024k -size=50G -numjobs=1 -runtime=1000 -group_reporting -filename=iotest -name=Write_PPS_Testing
nvme0n1:
Run status group 0 (all jobs):
WRITE: bw=1816MiB/s (1905MB/s), 1816MiB/s-1816MiB/s (1905MB/s-1905MB/s), io=100GiB (107GB), run=56377-56377msec
Disk stats (read/write):
nvme0n1: ios=0/206385, merge=0/0, ticks=0/7223499, in_queue=7223508, util=99.89%
nvme1n1:
Run status group 0 (all jobs):
WRITE: bw=827MiB/s (868MB/s), 827MiB/s-827MiB/s (868MB/s-868MB/s), io=50.0GiB (53.7GB), run=61883-61883msec
Disk stats (read/write):
dm-1: ios=0/52628, merge=0/0, ticks=0/4024064, in_queue=4024064, util=99.90%, aggrios=28/104439, aggrmerge=0/1008, aggrticks=13/7959447, aggrin_queue=7959482, aggrutil=99.81%
nvme1n1: ios=28/104439, merge=0/1008, ticks=13/7959447, in_queue=7959482, util=99.81%
lspci -vv | grep -P "[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}\.[0-9a-f]|LnkSta:"
01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp WD Black SN750 / PC SN730 NVMe SSD (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s, Width x4
06:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Sandisk Corp WD Black SN750 / PC SN730 NVMe SSD (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s, Width x1 (downgraded)
Hello Guys, I've been considering the n100 box thanks to this forum. From what I read on the long thread customer support seems to be nonexistent. In that case why not go the cheap way and order directly for taobao and ship through your local broker or superbuy? You would save some hard earned coins. I've just found this n100 box barebone listed for 810 yuan and goes down to 787 with copon. That would be about 110 usd without shipping. Say if shipping is 20 then the total will be 130usd? about 25usd cheaper than aliexpress?
worth it?
worth it?
Last words:I didn't want to bring this up again on this thread, but I'd be interested to know your opinion on the following article.
The Long Hack: How China Exploited a U.S. Tech Supplier
Former officials say both hardware and firmware were tampered with.www.bloomberg.com
1) A server behaves different than a router
2) If you believe, you are as important for China as a military base in the USA, you are wrong
3) If you still don't feel safe, leave this thread, buy something else.
I would double check the hardware. Seems there are versions out there with DDR4 RAM, i225 NICs and/or smaller cases with eithe a fan (and noide) or bad heat exchange. You also might run into shipment issues, which is the reason (plus the case type C) I bought mine from CWWK.
Thank you for pointing this out. I do really want to have the type c case so I did some digging. It seems this case is made only for the 15w chips (8505 Pentium and ix-12xxu). That's why you need to ask for it for the lower w nxxx chips. So far the best value I could find with this case is the 8505 Pentium.
This one is more expensive than the n100, but on the plus side you get 6 ports, m.2 nvme x4 and 2 sata. Not sure about the performance, but you get one performance core, which -as others said- should give more performance for single threaded processes.
I don't really need the extra ports, but the better cooling is something important. I might try and ask for this case on a n100 box. But there is also some cool nas/router itx boards for cheap which should give better value if wanted to build a nas albeit with lower cpu performance.
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@Esports_are_for_losers @nense
You can share your proxmox or BIOS configurations. When trying to pass PCI to VM I have an error
can't change power state from D3cold to D0
You can share your proxmox or BIOS configurations. When trying to pass PCI to VM I have an error
can't change power state from D3cold to D0
I got my N100 with type C case here. Came with fan as pictured. Be aware the link you posted has only DDR4 ram.
Thank you very much
This is exactly what I need and is much cheaper than the Pentium. I will order one later today.
edit: I've placed my order and paid without broker, but took me more than 4 hours just to enter the chinese shipping agent address. I just hope i didn't mess up the address.
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It was a one time trouble and would be worth it in the long run. I think I wasted more time on AliExpress opening hundreds of links and comparing total prices including shipping with most being extremely expensive or not shipping at all. On this taobao almost everything have free domestic shipping and then forwarded by your agent for the same rate every time. So it will be easier to pick whatever you want and if it is heavy (3d printer with dozen rolls) then just use sea forwarding address. And if not for this then it would be worth it for your baby4 hours of your time? Is it not worth that much $$?
I got the N100 4 port smaller case (the one everyone says not to get) with no RAM/storage. Popped in 32GB DDR5 which it has no issues with. Running proxmox 8 smoothly.
CPU temps were initually high and erratic (like jumping up to 80-90c quickly under load). Came with coupius amounts of thermal paste, probably to bridge the small gap between the CPU die and the metal shim. My metal shim isnt actually screwed down, its just loose and held in place by a small indent in the case and the thermal paste. Filed down the standoffs until i couldn't see a gap and reapplied a sane amount of thermal paste. Now hovers around 60-65c under sustained load (10mins of stress command) and around 35c idle.
Overall its a bit janky but actually very happy with it overall. Runs silent, doesnt get too hot (after repaste), low power, pretty cheap and powerful enough for my home server purposes. Pretty good deal if you're lucky enough not to have to deal with the chinese customer support.
CPU temps were initually high and erratic (like jumping up to 80-90c quickly under load). Came with coupius amounts of thermal paste, probably to bridge the small gap between the CPU die and the metal shim. My metal shim isnt actually screwed down, its just loose and held in place by a small indent in the case and the thermal paste. Filed down the standoffs until i couldn't see a gap and reapplied a sane amount of thermal paste. Now hovers around 60-65c under sustained load (10mins of stress command) and around 35c idle.
Overall its a bit janky but actually very happy with it overall. Runs silent, doesnt get too hot (after repaste), low power, pretty cheap and powerful enough for my home server purposes. Pretty good deal if you're lucky enough not to have to deal with the chinese customer support.
Around €135 for N100 barebones variant shipped direct to southeast asia, and including taxes. Maybe a little more for Europe.
Hi, great thread here, went back and read 20+ pages
What would be realistic NAT routing performance expectations against N6005, N100 and N200 variants (eg: from topton store on ali) running proxmox and pfsense with a couple of i226's passed through?
Not doing much fancy, not using traffic shaping or IDS functionality, have some (<10) port filtering rules in the firewall, have a couple of wireguard site to site links. My WAN connection is 2/1 Gbps.
Any recommendations between the three CPU variants for this use case? I am currently leaning towards N100...
What would be realistic NAT routing performance expectations against N6005, N100 and N200 variants (eg: from topton store on ali) running proxmox and pfsense with a couple of i226's passed through?
Not doing much fancy, not using traffic shaping or IDS functionality, have some (<10) port filtering rules in the firewall, have a couple of wireguard site to site links. My WAN connection is 2/1 Gbps.
Any recommendations between the three CPU variants for this use case? I am currently leaning towards N100...