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Firmware question on ICX7250-48p

While reading the Ruckus r510 AP manual; and its 200.8 firmware; there's a blurb about cases of using r510 AP in conjunction with 7250 Switch

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NOTE
For more information on ICX device capabilities and configuration, refer to the Ruckus FastIron documentation set available at the following URL:
https://support.ruckuswireless.com. On the site, select Products > Ruckus ICX Switches > Technical Documents, and choose the platform and document of interest.

The following items are required to manage ICX devices:

  • The ICX switch must be running FastIron software version 08.0.90 or higher.
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I then peeked at 7250 firmware page and noticed there's 08.0.92a out from Feb 2020.

Ruckus ICX FastIron 08.0.92a (GA) Software Release (.zip) | Software Downloads | Ruckus Wireless Support

Gently asking (given your last version is 08080e from Oct 2019)

is it ok to install the new 7250 firmware -or- do you suggest waiting until you add it on your download files ?

Thank you.
 

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They're talking about the SmartZone functionality, which uses a central controller and allows automatic provisioning of ICX switches and ruckus APs, for that indeed you need the latest firmware. However you won't be using that, you'll be using unleashed FW, so it's irrelevant. For maximum stability, stick with the "stable" codetrain which is what's on the guide, 8080. If you like to live dangerously you can jump to more recent code like 8090 or 8092, but you won't gain any more functionality with the AP than you already have
 

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Firmware question on ICX7250-48p

While reading the Ruckus r510 AP manual; and its 200.8 firmware; there's a blurb about cases of using r510 AP in conjunction with 7250 Switch

"
NOTE
For more information on ICX device capabilities and configuration, refer to the Ruckus FastIron documentation set available at the following URL:
https://support.ruckuswireless.com. On the site, select Products > Ruckus ICX Switches > Technical Documents, and choose the platform and document of interest.

The following items are required to manage ICX devices:

  • The ICX switch must be running FastIron software version 08.0.90 or higher.
"
I then peeked at 7250 firmware page and noticed there's 08.0.92a out from Feb 2020.

Ruckus ICX FastIron 08.0.92a (GA) Software Release (.zip) | Software Downloads | Ruckus Wireless Support

Gently asking (given your last version is 08080e from Oct 2019)

is it ok to install the new 7250 firmware -or- do you suggest waiting until you add it on your download files ?

Thank you.
After your help in the other thread, I decided to 'live dangerously' and install the latest FW on my ICX7250-48P and try out the maangement/monitoring connection between Unleashed APs (R510 for me) and the switch. I can't get it to connect. Did some digging and found this thread:

Unleashed connection to ICX | Ruckus Wireless Customer Community

It was a little over my head, but maybe you guys can make sense of it. Would be cool to have something closer to a single pane of glass if it worked.

As an aside - no issues with the latest FW on the switch yet, though I'm not doing anything very advanced. The AP works great and I've ordered a second one.
 

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They're talking about the SmartZone functionality, which uses a central controller and allows automatic provisioning of ICX switches and ruckus APs, for that indeed you need the latest firmware. However you won't be using that, you'll be using unleashed FW, so it's irrelevant. For maximum stability, stick with the "stable" codetrain which is what's on the guide, 8080. If you like to live dangerously you can jump to more recent code like 8090 or 8092, but you won't gain any more functionality with the AP than you already have
fohdeesha , -- thank you -- (as usual) for explaining that in such an easy to understand manner.

Ruckus, like any Enterprise grade equipment has a massive amount of documentation, and sometimes for us home users new to this stuff, it can be difficult to grasp the entire larger picture of how things work together.

I shall be staying on Ruckus r510AP unleashed 200.8 firmware + Brocade 7250 8080e from 2019.10.29 that you provided. I suspected there was a reason you were still giving us 8080 and not the newer one, lol.
(I don't care if Ruckus has new firmware, is it --fohdeesha approved-- ? lol)

New Question 1.
(just to learn stuff): so you are talking about a different piece of hardware such as "Ruckus ZoneDirector 1000" and a use case might be a large physical office with 20 Ruckus AP deployed; and perhaps 3 Brocade Switches : so this one "Ruckus ZoneDirector" is the "master" to help easily manage both the Ruckus AP and Brocade Switches ?

New Question 2.
I have not played with wifi Heat Maps in years. I appreciate many Wifi HeatMaps for iOS have nasty code and call home with my information.

Thus : can you suggest either a 'safe' WiFi Heat Map for a Windows laptop install or a 'safe' one for either iOS or Android.

Use case: making sure the single r510 is providing proper house overage before securing it to the wall.
 
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After your help in the other thread, I decided to 'live dangerously' and install the latest FW on my ICX7250-48P and try out the maangement/monitoring connection between Unleashed APs (R510 for me) and the switch. I can't get it to connect. Did some digging and found this thread:

Unleashed connection to ICX | Ruckus Wireless Customer Community

It was a little over my head, but maybe you guys can make sense of it. Would be cool to have something closer to a single pane of glass if it worked.

As an aside - no issues with the latest FW on the switch yet, though I'm not doing anything very advanced. The AP works great and I've ordered a second one.
I am on Ruckus r510 200.8 firmware + Brocade 7250 8080e (from fohdeesha on page 1)

Just installed the Ruckus r510 last night (lol; took 3 tries to Factory Reset :( [user error I am sure]; and have not had time to really delve into the admin screens other than quick look. But need to find an hour to really read the manual.
 

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New Question 2.
I have not played with wifi Heat Maps in years. I appreciate many Wifi HeatMaps for iOS have nasty code and call home with my information.

Thus : can you suggest either a 'safe' WiFi Heat Map for a Windows laptop install or a 'safe' one for either iOS or Android.

Use case: making sure the single r510 is providing proper house overage before securing it to the wall.
NetSpot for Windows is what we use at work for generating coverage reports. Insert building blueprints and walk around taking measurements, easy peasy!
 

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More fun 8090 bugs, managed to lock an entire stack up by....attempting to change the router ID:

Code:
SSH@CHUNK(config)#ip router-id 204.68.252.167
IP: Errno(2) ITC not successful
why this is now the recommended codetrain, I have no clue. no issue on 8080
 

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I too went ahead and upgraded my APs to 200.8 and also got the message about bumping my ICX7450 to 8090 and above. hah. I haven't done the upgrade for the ICX7450 though.
 

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More fun 8090 bugs, managed to lock an entire stack up by....attempting to change the router ID:

Code:
SSH@CHUNK(config)#ip router-id 204.68.252.167
IP: Errno(2) ITC not successful
why this is now the recommended codetrain, I have no clue. no issue on 8080
thanks, my Brocade 7250 shall stay on the "fohdeesha approved" 8080 firmware version.
 

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For anyone that wanted 6450 rack ears, I finally got the part to fix my bending brake. With all the confusion over weather these were 6610 or 6540, and tons of PMs, I'm going to drop the price and just let everyone use this button. I have 5 sets and pretty much just want to get rid of them, button is set to stop working after they're gone.



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For anyone that wanted 6450 rack ears, I finally got the part to fix my bending brake. With all the confusion over weather these were 6610 or 6540, and tons of PMs, I'm going to drop the price and just let everyone use this button. I have 5 sets and pretty much just want to get rid of them, button is set to stop working after they're gone.



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Thank you, I just bought two sets off of you!
 

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I have had 6450-24's since the beginning of this thread and they have been working great.

I am now starting down the path of IP PoE cameras and I just picked up a 6450-48P today but I have a problem.
The switch doesn't boot. I plug it in and I hear a relay type of click but that is it. No fans. no lights. Made sure to plug into a 20A outlet.
Any suggestions on where to start? Ebay seller listed in good working used condition but ad says no returns...
 

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I have had 6450-24's since the beginning of this thread and they have been working great.

I am now starting down the path of IP PoE cameras and I just picked up a 6450-48P today but I have a problem.
The switch doesn't boot. I plug it in and I hear a relay type of click but that is it. No fans. no lights. Made sure to plug into a 20A outlet.
Any suggestions on where to start? Ebay seller listed in good working used condition but ad says no returns...
switch is dead, file an ebay 30 day return, as far as I remember it's completely against the rules to refuse returns on blatantly broken/not as described equipment, putting "no returns allowed" in the description does about as much as those chainmail posts on facebook saying "mark zuckerberg is not allowed to use my pictures"
 

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switch is dead, file an ebay 30 day return, as far as I remember it's completely against the rules to refuse returns on blatantly broken/not as described equipment, putting "no returns allowed" in the description does about as much as those chainmail posts on facebook saying "mark zuckerberg is not allowed to use my pictures"
I messaged the seller and they said they had another that they were going to just ship to me. Hopefully they will pack it with bubble wrap this time. It literally came with a cardboard cover, no packing material at all. I am guessing it was maybe damaged in transit. I even opened it up, blew out the dust bunnies, unplugged and plugged back in all internal power connectors, but couldn't see anything physically wrong.

Thanks!
 

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Throughout the day, errors like this (debug was enabled for this one) appear in the log:
ICX7450-48 Switch>
stack: 01864cac 01865bf4 01869698 b6e2abd0 b6f29195
1:_bcm_esw_linkscan_update_port: Port ge18: bcm_port_info_get failed: Operation failed
1:_bcm_esw_linkscan_update_port: Port ge18: Link Up with Speed 0M!
It looks like I've resolved this issue, but the solution raises more questions than answers. It was clear to me the Sony Bravia XBR televisions or the cables were triggering these port errors... not the ICX7450 itself. I thought it might have to do with electrical interference and so purchased a few Ethernet galvanic isolation modules (Network Isolator MED MI 1005). After installing them on the runs connected to the televisions, the frequent errors on the switch disappeared.

If you want to try this yourself, shop eBay for the isolation modules - retail price is around $160/each.
 
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All the bugs in that list were closed/fixed in this release so you'll get them, "found in" lists all the builds that the bug was present in (08.0.95 being a currently unreleased internal test train)
 
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Wanted to give some info on swapping the fans in an ICX7250-48P. As fohdeesha's awesome original post says - it's quiet to start with, but this thing sits right next to me in my office so I wanted to go even quieter.

The 48P has 3 fans - in my case they're Nidec W40S12BGB5-52 T02. They're pretty whiney and I couldn't find any info about them on Nidec's site. I tried disabling one fan but the sound didn't decrease much, and the ASIC temperature went past 70 C (which made me uncomfortable).
https://i.imgur.com/lo5pTnw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JS3P3ok.jpg

Knowing the basic info about them (3-pin, 12V, 40x40x28mm, ~25 CFM, 18000 RPM, tach-controlled), browsed Digikey (their fan search tool is amaaaaazing).
DC Brushless Fans (BLDC) | Fans, Thermal Management | DigiKey

Narrowed my options down to a few different Delta fans that I've had good luck with in the past. There's a lot of choices that appear to meet the specs for the Brocade, I went with the Delta FFB0412SHN-BF00 - they're slightly newer in design and quieter than its peers, coming in around 5 dB lower. They also run a max of 13000 RPM vs the Nidec's 18000 RPM (though I can't seem to manage to push it that high, ever).

The trick, apparently, with the ICX is that the pinouts are a littler weird - but the Deltas come without fan connectors, so you'll have to crimp them anyway. If anyone ever comes looking and isn't sure of the order, here it is:

PIN 1: Blue on Delta/Green on Nidec - Frequency
PIN 2: Red on Delta/Yellow on Nidec - Positive
PIN 3: Black on Delta/Black on Nidec - Negative
https://i.imgur.com/kBuMcNs.jpg

With the Deltas installed, the system is quieter - there's no whine, and less air noise. System controls the speeds and gives me speed/thermal data just like the stock fans. It has passed the wife-test noise-wise. Tinkering with the idea of trying out the Delta FFB0412VHN-BF00 - which runs at 9500 RPM but is another 6 or so dB quieter; significantly less air movement though.

Temperatures have remained in the mid-60s under decent load, which I'm quite happy with. Tried two fans vs three again, just for kicks, but again temps went higher than I was comfortable with, so sticking with three.
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Special thanks to all the other posters that have contributed about fans on this thread, including fohdeesha and Skud - you guys gave me the confidence to drop some money and try this out.
Wanted to post an update on my infinite quest to silence an ICX 7250-48P (I run this thing in a fairly warm closet with bad circulation). Call me obsessive, but I wasn't a fan (no pun intended) of my temps creeping into the low 70s after my previous fan swap. I believe I have come up with the perfect silent solution for this rig.

Replace all 3 rear fans with the Mechatronics MR4020X12B1-RSR fan. They will read just fine in CLI. Then add a Sunon MF60101V3-1000U-A99 fan to the ASIC heat sink (you'll still have around 1/3" to spare in the case, plenty). Wire it in with Fan 3. All the fans are reduced load vs stock so they won't draw too much and the Sunon only has power and ground, so doesn't affect the read on Fan 3.

The switch now runs next-to-dead silent; temperatures on the ASIC dropped ~20 degrees over my previous configuration into the low to mid 50s degrees and the PSU is in the upper 20s which is great. Been running around a week, everything has been perfect. I'm in love.
 
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1 rack ear set left, all others have been shipped. Producing these isn't really economical for me as a hobbyist, paying shipping for steel plate. Might have other sets come available sporadically, I can run a set or 2 whenever I have scrap from other projects that they'll fit on.