Aerohive (Extreme Networks) APs - No Controller Needed

wifiholic

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Hello,
i have 27 AP-650 from Motorola, can you tell me how to access the CLI?
I found 4 pins on the circuit board, but my usb to serial adapter does not work.
I also tried to connect by SSH, but i don´t know the Password.
Please excuse my bad English, i am from Germany
Extreme doesn't make this easy, because there are two AP-650s now under that corporate umbrella. There is the AP650/AP650X that they got from the Aerohive acquisition, and there is the AP650 from Motorola, which is what Extreme refers to as the WiNG product line. The Motorola AP650 needs to be adopted to a controller to be managed, and is a completely different beast than the Aerohive-based APs that are covered by most of the discussion in this thread.

Pardon the silly question, can I use wireless uplink on these?
I've not implemented it myself, but theoretically this is supported and can be enabled in Cloud IQ using: Configure > Common Objects > AP Templates > [your AP template] > Wireless Interfaces > [radio you want to use for uplink] > Radio Usage > enable Backhaul Mesh Link
 
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femi

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Ok, i have Motorola AP650, there is no Reset Button. looks like I can't use the access points without a controller
 

femi

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Now i have bought a Motorola 4010 Controller, but the Firmware is to old, any Ideas where i can get the latest firmware for this?
I searched the Internet for Hours but no luck.
 
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2JZ-GTE

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Thank you so much for this post, Aerohive wasn't really on my radar when I started my trial of WAP due to pandemic boredom. I picked up two AP-550 to test. Here’s a quick summary of my steps for anybody interested.

  1. Power up the access points, press the reset button until the light blinks and turns amber (~11 seconds).
  2. Sign up for an “ExtremeCloud IQ Connect” (XIQ) account.
  3. Quick Add the AP by serial number in the Manage > Devices section of XIQ.
  4. Once the AP have been reset and are connected to internet (the LED will turn white), you’ll see their status as connected in XIQ.
  5. Select the AP to update, click on update devices, choose “Upgrade IQ Engine and Extreme Network Switch Images” and click perform update.
  6. This should get the latest firmware onto your AP. You can choose to use SSH or XIQ for configuration from here. To use XIQ: set up a Network Policy, assign to your AP, push the configuration to the AP and you’re finished.
  7. To manually configure the AP via SSH: Copy the configuration from BlueFox into a file and make any necessary changes. Put the file on a tftp server.
  8. SSH into the AP, transfer the file over, save as current config, and reboot with this command: save config tftp://192.168.21.240:myconfig current now. You can also use SCP instead.
  9. You can add a simulated device in XIQ, configure it as you’d like and then copy the configuration from “Configuration Audit > Complete” into a text file, make any necessary changes, and TFTP/SCP the config onto your AP.

Since the start of the pandemic, I’ve been experimenting with enterprise access points. Besides Aerohives I’ve also tried Meraki MR24 running OpenWRT, Aruba AP-325 converted to IAP-325, and Ruckus r710 Unleashed. IMHO the AP-550 were one of the easiest to get up and running and the best value. Iperf3 tests were comparable to Aruba AP-325 (~500 Mbits/s), faster than Meraki MR24 (~300Mbits/s), and slower than Ruckus r710 (~630 Mbits/s). Range is comparable to MR24 and AP-325, but less than r710. After the first week, stability on all APs have been similar enough to not be noticeable. Outer casing build quality is solid as Meraki, but not quite Aruba levels. I think the Aerohives are the most aesthetically pleasing of the bunch even if mine are in the attic and nobody sees them.
 
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I can attest to the quality for sure for the Aerohive AP122. Have deployed a couple hundred and none have failed yet in any way. Cloud management is a bit quirky but not bad.
 

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What's HiveOS like? Searching on it is dominated by a cryptocurrency mining orchestration platform also named HiveOS.

Is HiveOS a typical Linux-based deal like MikroTik's OSes, Ubiquiti's, etc.?

The prices I see are enormous, $1,500 for the AP650: Extreme Networks AP650 Access Point | NetSolutionStore.com

What low prices are you people talking about? Used? What's the value added for these APs over much cheaper TP-Link or ZyXel Wi-Fi 6 APs? Those come in under $200 new.
 

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I'm not a Network Engineer this is just a hobby for me, but with my limited time on these systems, the CLI on Aerohive feels close to Aruba and Cisco for me.

The low prices (were) on Craigslist. I am in the Seattle area, not sure how much used tech is available on Craigslist in other parts of the country so you may have to resort to eBay. Prices have steadily crept up over the past year. I've seen some steals in Ubiquiti equipment the last few weeks during my searches because it seems like a lot of people are dumping them. The r710s were the most expensive at $140 each. The Aruba 325s and Aerohive 550s were $70 each. The Meraki MR24s were $8 each. I'm sure many on this forum work in the field and can obtain demo or decommissioned units for much cheaper.

The TP-Link or ZyXel APs you mentioned may very well work just as well or even better, somebody who has experience evaluating both could give a better answer. The reason that I started with Meraki, Aruba, and Ruckus was because they were brands I had heard of before on my job.

Pre-pandemic I was home only about 45 days of the year. When all travel stopped and I started having to work and live at home I realized my old ZyXel Armor Z2 (running OpenWRT) wasn't cutting it, that got me started down this path. Curiosity and pandemic boredom got me the rest of the way.
 

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What's HiveOS like? Searching on it is dominated by a cryptocurrency mining orchestration platform also named HiveOS.

Is HiveOS a typical Linux-based deal like MikroTik's OSes, Ubiquiti's, etc.?

The prices I see are enormous, $1,500 for the AP650: Extreme Networks AP650 Access Point | NetSolutionStore.com

What low prices are you people talking about? Used? What's the value added for these APs over much cheaper TP-Link or ZyXel Wi-Fi 6 APs? Those come in under $200 new.
CLI is similar to Cisco. New in the retail channels, enterprise APs are very expensive. A Zyxel WAX650S is I think ~$700 with none available on the secondary market and it only does 2.4gbit vs the AP650's 4.8gbit. An AP650 (often new) can be had for ~$200 on eBay. I've not found any WiFi 6 APs that are anywhere as cheap with 4x4 MIMO, 160MHz channels, etc.