Try to config it through ssh first, do not spend times on finding the latest firmware, it's meaningless.
Aerohive (Extreme Networks) APs - No Controller Needed
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You can create a Trial Cloud account, adopt the APs and from there update to the latest firmware. But after your trial period ends no more updates. I did this last year and got the latest firmware at the time (10.7r2 ) for my AP650. Have been using it so far without any problems.
Bought an AP650 today play around with.
I added it to the free tier to update the firmware. Poked around the options a bit but it's a bit convoluted for home use... not a huge surprise... Connecting via SSH went smoothly, was able to apply a reasonable config and everything works well... except...
WPA3-SAE doesn't seem to work, at least with some of my devices... both WPA2 (transition mode) and WPA3. Not sure what was wrong, since the previous TP-Link Omada EAP610 seemed to do fine with both.
Speed was maybe 50 Mbps better than the Omada (tested on my laptop with AC), but range was worse.
I think I'll switch back to the EAP610, not really because of the minor issues but because I already have another one downstairs, and this way I don't have to install a new mount on the ceiling
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I added it to the free tier to update the firmware. Poked around the options a bit but it's a bit convoluted for home use... not a huge surprise... Connecting via SSH went smoothly, was able to apply a reasonable config and everything works well... except...
WPA3-SAE doesn't seem to work, at least with some of my devices... both WPA2 (transition mode) and WPA3. Not sure what was wrong, since the previous TP-Link Omada EAP610 seemed to do fine with both.
Speed was maybe 50 Mbps better than the Omada (tested on my laptop with AC), but range was worse.
I think I'll switch back to the EAP610, not really because of the minor issues but because I already have another one downstairs, and this way I don't have to install a new mount on the ceiling
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Code:
https://1drv.ms/f/c/7821b2bbbb47b330/IgAws0e7u7IhIIB4ThYAAAAAAQ37VGzXw_3kBvGElxa8ekg?e=Fta552Pretty straightforward:
system led brightness brightAs for saving the configuration:
save configHas anyone experienced strange bugs with devices refusing to connect on 5ghz to newer (8021ax) devices? My iPhone for example refuses to connect stating ‘no internet’…
My corporate iPhone has no trouble with 5GHz and 802.11ax on my AP650:
Code:
Ifname=wifi1.2, Ifindex=21, SSID=xxxx:
Mac Addr IP Addr Chan Tx Rate Rx Rate Pow(SNR) A-Mode Cipher A-Time VLAN Auth UPID Phymode LDPC Tx-STBC Rx-STBC SM-PS Chan-width MU-MIMO Release Station-State
-------------- --------------- ---- ------- ------- -------- -------------- -------- -------- ---- ---- ---- ------- ---- ------- ------- -------- ---------- --------- ------- -------------
xxxx:xxxx:xxxx xx.xx.xx.xxx 36 1200.9M 24M -41(49) wpa2-psk aes ccmp 134:05:40 1 Yes 0 11ax-5g Yes No No static 80MHz No No GoodGreat thread, thanks. I just set up an AP650 and it's a noticeable upgrade from the old Ruckus R610.
If you're running VLANs and can't connect, the default user-profile mac and ip policies might be the problem:
If you're running VLANs and can't connect, the default user-profile mac and ip policies might be the problem:
user-profile [profile] ip-policy-default-action permit
user-profile [profile] mac-policy-default-action permitAs mentioned in my original post, across both bands, I have about 150 other APs in range. I don't have another AP to do A/B testing with however. Haven't had performance issues myself though and have been using my AP650 for 5 years now since I created this thread. I don't think CLI vs web UI is going to make any difference in regards to that for you.
I've been playing with the AP650 for the past several days. You may want to post your radio profile from your running configuration.
Try playing with
There are also interface radio settings that may help. I'm not a wireless engineer but I think you could use
Did you configure your AP with just the CLI? You can register for a free Extreme IQ Connect with limitations.
extreme-networks.my.site.com/ExtrArticleDetail?an=000110996
It's a bit complicated to set up but it will set a bunch of stuff for your radio profile then you can modify it through trial and error. There are a lot of concepts that are new to me but their default settings had a bunch of 11a, 11b, and 11g phymodes for the 5G radio profle. They also didn't set band-steering nor channel-width. Removed those 11 settings and adding band-steering and channel-width I could get pretty good throughput on 5Ghz on the gigabit (eth1) port. On a Vivobook I got 900 Mbps.
While XIQ is pretty useful, there are sore spots. I have not been able to figure out how to obtain some things it shows through the CLI. For example:
I posted some questions to /r/aerohive and Extreme's ExtremeCloud_IQ community but no help yet.
Ruckus Unleashed is much easier to manage and configure out of the box. Don't have to mess with channel width and stuff like that. Their Dyamic PSK is usable through Unleashed while XIQ Connect don't allow you to use Private PSK. I also prefer Unleashed because it's on-premises.
While XIQ's presentations are very nice, but some things are confusing and shows lack of holstic integration. I couldn't get details on a client by going to Manage Clients. My memory is foggy because I currently have no clients associated with the AP and I'm at work. But I recall it shows you a list of clients with some overall details much like Unleashed but it doesn't show traffic information and advertised capabilities. I had to go to ML Insights > Network 360 Monitor. Once there clicking on Clients up top only shows a dashboard of clients. I had to click on the Global View, navigate to my "floor," then click on the AP and click on an entry in the popup to get detailed client information. I'm no longer a young buck so it took me many tries to commit navigation to my long-term memory.
I may sound negative but I am grateful Extreme has a free tier and they seem genuinely sincere in helping people on their community web forum especially those who can't adopt an AP from eBay. They also permit the free tier to update the firmware. I like the hardware and while different from Ruckus Unleashed it was pretty had to pass up 5+1 Wifi 6 APs for $50 shipped. I paid $110 for 4 R710s several hours prior before I saw @BlueFox's reply to the Ruckus thread.
show run | include "radio profile"Try playing with
mu-mimo, 11ax ofdma-dl, band steering for your profiles. Issue show acsp neighbor to see where other APs' SNR values are in relation to your AP. I've never compared those values but I believe you can get it from show interface wifiX | include eirp. Replace wifiX with your base Wifi interfaces wifi0, wifi1, etc.There are also interface radio settings that may help. I'm not a wireless engineer but I think you could use
interface wifiX radio sensitivity to provide more leeway in how your clients connect to your APs. Maybe also check out interface wifiX radio antenna diversity, too.Did you configure your AP with just the CLI? You can register for a free Extreme IQ Connect with limitations.
extreme-networks.my.site.com/ExtrArticleDetail?an=000110996
It's a bit complicated to set up but it will set a bunch of stuff for your radio profile then you can modify it through trial and error. There are a lot of concepts that are new to me but their default settings had a bunch of 11a, 11b, and 11g phymodes for the 5G radio profle. They also didn't set band-steering nor channel-width. Removed those 11 settings and adding band-steering and channel-width I could get pretty good throughput on 5Ghz on the gigabit (eth1) port. On a Vivobook I got 900 Mbps.
While XIQ is pretty useful, there are sore spots. I have not been able to figure out how to obtain some things it shows through the CLI. For example:
- Client OS, hostname - only available in log and unless you send them to a syslog server (which I do) they will be lost from
show tech. - Client capabilities involving channel width and spatial streams. Enabling data-collection on the AP doesn't seem to display these attributes and
show client-info-collectionalways returnsNo client info yeteven though I've enabled data-collection using the defaults (collect every hour and report every six). - RSSI and SNR (Rx Rate Pow(SNR) column, I think) shown in
show stationdoesn't match XIQ.
I posted some questions to /r/aerohive and Extreme's ExtremeCloud_IQ community but no help yet.
Ruckus Unleashed is much easier to manage and configure out of the box. Don't have to mess with channel width and stuff like that. Their Dyamic PSK is usable through Unleashed while XIQ Connect don't allow you to use Private PSK. I also prefer Unleashed because it's on-premises.
While XIQ's presentations are very nice, but some things are confusing and shows lack of holstic integration. I couldn't get details on a client by going to Manage Clients. My memory is foggy because I currently have no clients associated with the AP and I'm at work. But I recall it shows you a list of clients with some overall details much like Unleashed but it doesn't show traffic information and advertised capabilities. I had to go to ML Insights > Network 360 Monitor. Once there clicking on Clients up top only shows a dashboard of clients. I had to click on the Global View, navigate to my "floor," then click on the AP and click on an entry in the popup to get detailed client information. I'm no longer a young buck so it took me many tries to commit navigation to my long-term memory.
I may sound negative but I am grateful Extreme has a free tier and they seem genuinely sincere in helping people on their community web forum especially those who can't adopt an AP from eBay. They also permit the free tier to update the firmware. I like the hardware and while different from Ruckus Unleashed it was pretty had to pass up 5+1 Wifi 6 APs for $50 shipped. I paid $110 for 4 R710s several hours prior before I saw @BlueFox's reply to the Ruckus thread.
I've been using 3 Aerohive APs for some time via the Extreme Networks CloudIQ and am finding myself at an impasse. Some of the settings I need to configure are paid only, or can be done via SSH. The caveat is any settings configured via SSH will be overwritten next time the APs reboot and talk to the cloud controller.
Has anyone used multiple APs configured locally? Do they roam well?
Has anyone configured them via the cloud controller then disabled the cloud controller with ```no capwap client enable```?
Has anyone used multiple APs configured locally? Do they roam well?
Has anyone configured them via the cloud controller then disabled the cloud controller with ```no capwap client enable```?
What experience have you had regarding their roaming performance? I am still learning about their capabilities but they roam as well as my Ruckus 11ac APs. Their "default" configuration is less aggressive about jumping onto 80 MHz channels after they've rebooted but after maybe 2-3 speed tests, they use the wider channels.
I didn't know a reboot would wipe local changes from the APs. What I have found is disabling capwap won't cause ExtremeCloud IQ to overwrite the local overrides after a reboot of a single AP or entire Hive (reboot all APs). After they are online again, capwap could be reenabled and they will be seen by Cloud IQ. Just have capwap disabled as the default setting then after a reboot, reenable capwap client if you want. Capwap settings don't get deleted if the client is disabled. It's good practice to regularly save the configuration to a remote configuration server.
I didn't know a reboot would wipe local changes from the APs. What I have found is disabling capwap won't cause ExtremeCloud IQ to overwrite the local overrides after a reboot of a single AP or entire Hive (reboot all APs). After they are online again, capwap could be reenabled and they will be seen by Cloud IQ. Just have capwap disabled as the default setting then after a reboot, reenable capwap client if you want. Capwap settings don't get deleted if the client is disabled. It's good practice to regularly save the configuration to a remote configuration server.
Currently, the roaming seems to either be extremely aggressive or too passive. CloudIQ imposes great limitations on what you can configure in the free tier, with almost all of the roaming settings being behind that paywall. Currently, I have one AP in my living room, one in my kitchen on 5ghz only, and one on my back porch to extend reach of cameras primarily but it does have 5ghz enabled as well. This seemed to be the only way to prevent my living room and kitchen APs from fighting for clients, even when the clients are in the same room. This is with transmit power turned down to around 10.
Supposedly there are settings in CloudIQ for adjusting roaming assistant SNR, but I cannot touch those without licensing. I also found I needed to disable TWT to reduce stuttering of Moonlight streaming over wifi, which I've done via CLI thus far. I just don't want to delve too deep down the rabbit hole of CLI configurations if CloudIQ is going to wipe it with its config each time config is pushed.