The impression I've gotten is to think of a plot as a lottery ticket, the odds of a plot winning are determined by the number of plots globally in network and the more plots/tickets you have the better your chance of one hitting but increasing the number of plots you have doesn't impact the odds on a per plot basis.
THE CHIA FARM
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What is this software?The following is a 7401P with 2 x 4TB 4510's.
- If I had to do it over again I would have gotten 4x 2 TB instead of the 2x 4TB 4510's,
- I think I can squeeze out more plots/day by increasing parallel plots and playing with stagger times.
- Too many in parallel and avg plot time will shoot up to over 12-14 hours per plot even with enterprise NVME.
Oops my bad remembered the wrong number.
If you use XFS, maybe check the allocsize mount options.
I'm currently using a bash script and tmux to plot on 9 drives simultaneously. Do you like using swar plot manager? Do you find that it optimizes your hardware/plots faster?
I recommend everyone doing this at scale to use plotman. It works really good and it staggers perfectly to ensure the best usage of your temp drives. I am amazed how much I can squeeze with plotman.
In theory, I must be making so much money, although I have been doing this for a while and spending 1.5KW electricity, so far I got 0 chia. I have ~800 plots and lost ~150 plots on the way due to bad drives, imagine the cost of 1.3PB of writes.
It took me weeks to figure out the tooling and how it works but even though my winning time is less than 3 weeks, I got none so I am in thousands of dollar loss and I probably found the most efficient way to plot and never wasted time on expensive high end computers/nvmes etc.
With network growing crazily, the chance to win is temporary so if you are not lucky, you may get none and stay in loss.
I am now going to sell my plotting gear to recuperate some of cost. On the bright side, the first thing I did when I heard this buying STX/WD stock. Hopefully I will recuperate some from there but it looks wall street sharks already bumped their stock price since April 15.
There is talk of pooling can help with RNG. Perhaps someone from STH community has time to build a pool for us, a trustable solution. Chia mining at its core aligned with home server so I cannot imagine a better platform.
Pooling will create the next big explosion on network growth as some people are/were waiting for the pool since plotting costly. I am hoping to convert my plots to pools as soon as it happens, so I hope to be ready when the pooling opens up.
Btw, for years enterprise hardware will not be cheap again. There goes our fun.
In theory, I must be making so much money, although I have been doing this for a while and spending 1.5KW electricity, so far I got 0 chia. I have ~800 plots and lost ~150 plots on the way due to bad drives, imagine the cost of 1.3PB of writes.
It took me weeks to figure out the tooling and how it works but even though my winning time is less than 3 weeks, I got none so I am in thousands of dollar loss and I probably found the most efficient way to plot and never wasted time on expensive high end computers/nvmes etc.
With network growing crazily, the chance to win is temporary so if you are not lucky, you may get none and stay in loss.
I am now going to sell my plotting gear to recuperate some of cost. On the bright side, the first thing I did when I heard this buying STX/WD stock. Hopefully I will recuperate some from there but it looks wall street sharks already bumped their stock price since April 15.
There is talk of pooling can help with RNG. Perhaps someone from STH community has time to build a pool for us, a trustable solution. Chia mining at its core aligned with home server so I cannot imagine a better platform.
Pooling will create the next big explosion on network growth as some people are/were waiting for the pool since plotting costly. I am hoping to convert my plots to pools as soon as it happens, so I hope to be ready when the pooling opens up.
Btw, for years enterprise hardware will not be cheap again. There goes our fun.
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what kind of hard drives do you use for plotting? Are you running the rig at the office?
Your average to win must be around 5 days, did you win lots of coins?
These puppies ( https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...age-optimus-ascend-txa2d2-800gb-60-gbp.32990/ ) will do 15 PBW, for easily thousands of plots each. (Note: Not mine, though I just did fetch a couple from that seller).
It is too late to get into solo farming now, one could argue that it is foolish to solo mine right now even with hundreds of TB of already plotted storage.
The showstopper for me is that if two or more competing plots are found, the farmer with the most plots gets the reward instead of it being randomly allocated. There is no point going against 3EB+ of unofficial Chinese pool plots.
Also, joining a pool when they eventually become a thing will require replotting.
I am definitely holding off for now.
The showstopper for me is that if two or more competing plots are found, the farmer with the most plots gets the reward instead of it being randomly allocated. There is no point going against 3EB+ of unofficial Chinese pool plots.
Also, joining a pool when they eventually become a thing will require replotting.
I am definitely holding off for now.
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You sure of that?
I think they said "the best" plot wins (by whatever criteria they determine that).
The thing where the most plots win is overall since you basically have the most "lottery tickets"..
Whether it is still worth starting is a matter of personal taste - I certainly would not spend thousands of bucks now unless you want to plot/farm for a while, but if you have a few plot boxes and some drives, why not - even a single plot can win the lottery (o/c chances are low, but not impossible).
That is the consensus here: The difficulty has become so high that it no longer makes sense to farm this crypt. · Issue #3509 · Chia-Network/chia-blockchain although I couldn't find it in the Chia documentation in my very limited search.
I think the often quoted part of the documentation
" For reasons that aren't super simple to intuit, the only thing each plot is competing on is to have the best proof of space and thus the chances of getting a reward depend on total size of plots on the farm - even with the plot filter in place. "
is mis-interpreted.
The plot filter removes 511/512 plots; so with a netspace of (@ now) 6.761 EiB there are some 70 mil plots out there, of these 511/512th are discarded leaving 137.000 eligible for the win of a single Coin.
If the consensus were correct then of all ppl with an eligible plot the one with the biggest total pool size would win then basically every single coin, because he is almost sure to have at least 1 eligible plot all the time and then he wins because he is the biggest.
But that is not the case - sure, the top dog currently wins 35% of all coins, but not 100% which he would (i think) if biggest pool wins.
Instead (the documentation also says) "the 'best' proof of space wins", defined by unknown criteria but apparently this can also be the plot of a smaller miner, even with just a few or a single plot.
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That the protocol rules are not as clear as they should be is worrisome. If assumptions are true that the 'size' of the farm decides at race-collision, then this gets very unattractive due to protocol design. Big farms would finance themself and small farmers' fields are just drying out. But, no documentation, no certanty. Always curious if someone doesn't provide proper documentation.
Btw. Passed 800 plots and still 0 coins. Running out of space ~1000. So slaughtering some cows in the future or .... idk. Whoever I talk to is unlucky for 2 weeks now. Big rise of the network has it's impact.
Btw. Passed 800 plots and still 0 coins. Running out of space ~1000. So slaughtering some cows in the future or .... idk. Whoever I talk to is unlucky for 2 weeks now. Big rise of the network has it's impact.
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Further to my experience (problems) space-wise. The GUI itself must have a very negative impact on the size of the temporary plots. I set up 2 absolutely identical test machines. Same CPU's, same RAM, 2x 756GB ioDrive2 drives in Raid0, target storage a 1.92TB Intel SSD. With farming in Linux (Ubuntu Server 20.04) in CLI, I always can have 8 plots running in parallel with a specific setup. On the system plotting with GUI, I can be happy to get 6 parallel plots running. Otherwise, the md0 drive hits it's space limits quickly. I also note, in CLI mode, the max size of a temporary plot file, doesn't exceed 239GB. Temporary plot files generated on the system running the GUI, always hit 256GB.
Also, the same setup plotting through CLI only, generates a plot in 8 hours (2x E5 2630v3 with 2x ioDrives in Raid0). With the correct sequence and after a 12hour warm-up phase, I'm able to plot 24 plots every day (1 plot per hour). So with 3 machines, I'm able to generate 72 plots a day. Not much but .... Running the same plotting sequence with the GUI, leaves me with 12 hours per plot or 50% more. Of course, I exchanged hardware. Still the same.
So the (buggy) GUI adds to some curious 'ideas' ...
Also, the same setup plotting through CLI only, generates a plot in 8 hours (2x E5 2630v3 with 2x ioDrives in Raid0). With the correct sequence and after a 12hour warm-up phase, I'm able to plot 24 plots every day (1 plot per hour). So with 3 machines, I'm able to generate 72 plots a day. Not much but .... Running the same plotting sequence with the GUI, leaves me with 12 hours per plot or 50% more. Of course, I exchanged hardware. Still the same.
So the (buggy) GUI adds to some curious 'ideas' ...
Not me.
But interesting to see that the Gui has such a big impact after all... maybe I really should move to a linux system for my rigs...