Haha the only reason I did not jump on it (but a friend did) was because I wanted a new Mac, I just prefer them in so many ways and I always have a HP machine for windows but really it’s only functional not much else, still that price almost tempted me !I am so damn glad I did not see this earlier or I would've been tempted to replace my macbook pro.
Excuse the typos- working off my iPhone.Haha the only reason I did not jump on it (but a friend did) was because I wanted a new Mac, I just prefer them in so many ways and I always have a HP machine for windows but really it’s only functional not much else, still that price almost tempted me !
Please explain... I’m interested/curious.Lol. Don't need to replace my Precision 7510 either. Though I could actually get 64GB ECC memory the HP (long story).
I'm curious what type of work you are in where this is the case. Enterprise or government sales? Enterprise IT? In my business (law) it is becoming more unusual to see someone using a non-Apple laptop. Usually when you do it is either someone employed by the government or in house at some large (non-technology) enterprise. I gave a lecture to a large (150+ person) university class and saw a grand total of 3 non-Apple laptops in the audience. I was surprised.-Wipping out a Mac with the shiny little Apple logo on top feels a little “cute” in a high level business meeting.
I’m under the impression that the Dreamcolor Display stomps the Apple screen... they are pretty much a standard for color accuracy and editing.I'm curious what type of work you are in where this is the case. Enterprise or government sales? Enterprise IT? In my business (law) it is becoming more unusual to see someone using a non-Apple laptop. Usually when you do it is either someone employed by the government or in house at some large (non-technology) enterprise. I gave a lecture to a large (150+ person) university class and saw a grand total of 3 non-Apple laptops in the audience. I was surprised.
I'm not at all impressed with the new MacBook Pros and have really been trying to find a better alternative, but haven't yet been able to find anything. Deal killers so far are trackpad ergonomics and screen quality. I would kill for Xeon + more than 16GB ram if someone could figure out how to beat the Apple trackpad and screen.
Just a note based on my experience with installing W10P on the MacBook Pro, I’m inclined to believe that the real magic in the Apple trackpad is software rather than hardware related.. there is no question that an Apple trackpad used with OSX is the undisputed king. When used with Windows, however, the magic just isn’t there.I'm curious what type of work you are in where this is the case. Enterprise or government sales? Enterprise IT? In my business (law) it is becoming more unusual to see someone using a non-Apple laptop. Usually when you do it is either someone employed by the government or in house at some large (non-technology) enterprise. I gave a lecture to a large (150+ person) university class and saw a grand total of 3 non-Apple laptops in the audience. I was surprised.
I'm not at all impressed with the new MacBook Pros and have really been trying to find a better alternative, but haven't yet been able to find anything. Deal killers so far are trackpad ergonomics and screen quality. I would kill for Xeon + more than 16GB ram if someone could figure out how to beat the Apple trackpad and screen.
Precision 7510 has 4 RAM slots, but wouldn't recognize more than two of my Crucial ECC 2400 SODIMMs. Turns out the board only supports 2133 and can't downclock more than two.Please explain... I’m interested/curious.
Unlike the ZBook 15 G4 which has 4, there are only two slots on the ZBook Studio G4. Unless you have access to HP 32GB DDR4 ECC SODIMMs, I don’t see how that is possible.
If, however, you simply have access to 4x16GB HP ECC SODIMMs and/or a smoking hot deal on a ZBook 15 G4 (non-Studio), I want them.
-Craig
Precision 7510 has 4 RAM slots, but wouldn't recognize more than two of my Crucial ECC 2400 SODIMMs. Turns out the board only supports 2133 and can't downclock more than two.
Precision 7510 : Weird problems with Crucial 16GB RAM ECC stick (Only boots if you mix the RAM!)
EDIT: OEM memory didn't have this problem, but I've always refused to buy overpriced OEM upgrades, and I found out about this particular issue the hard way.
Interesting. I bought mine from Ebay with non-ECC ram, but had spent lots of time on Dell's configurator. OEM was about 2x the cost of the Crucial sticks I bought (though this was before the crazy memory price increases).Totally glossed over the “7”510 and read it as “5510”.. I’ve always felt the same way about OEM memory, however, recently I’ve noticed sales by OEM’s that cover not only the base machine, but customizable components as well. When I originally bought my P50, I was able to add 64GB of ECC from Lenovo for ~$400 total. They had a similar deal going about a month ago.
Same goes for this ZBook I ordered. At roughly 45% off, the OEM memory starts to look more attractive. Particularly if you’re planning to fill all of the slots as this requires the bottom spec memory ordered with the computer (and to be replaced) be discarded. I think HP charges $100+ for the lowest memory spec and won’t sell the computer with zero dimms. ZBooks are a special case because they require a Xeon to be paired with ECC mem only.
Are you sure? I was very much under the impression that at least the 5520 did, in fact, support ECC.Sorry, I was thinking the HP under discussion was equivalent to 7510/P50. I see now that I was mistaken; looks more like a 5510.
Aside: I've also learned that the 5510 does NOT support ECC, even with a Xeon processor.
eBay is always my go-to, but with some of the Black Friday sales going on right now, OEM pricing on certain models absolutely destroys eBay pricing. This is true even when comparing new to used.Interesting. I bought mine from Ebay with non-ECC ram, but had spent lots of time on Dell's configurator. OEM was about 2x the cost of the Crucial sticks I bought (though this was before the crazy memory price increases).
Agree. I was both disappointed in the huge trackpad and thought the keyboard was really awful on the new MacBook Pro.The track pad remains to be seen... to date, I’ve not used a trackpad I prefer relative to Apple... although the one on this latest MacBook Pro is far too large and often gets in the way on the palm rest.
I believe the idea here was to offer finer grainularity/control by reducing cursor speed and providing a larger surface for input (left edge to right edge on trackpad yields left edge to right edge on screen). This is great in theory, but also requires that you pick up and move your entire hand in order to traverse the entire screen/pad. After about an hour of use, I bumped up the trackpad sensitivity and reverted to using only ~30% of the trackpad surface area. If editing something that requires precise control I’m using a real mouse on a quality mouse surface, with a far larger screen.
You know, I think you are probably correct. I recall at some point I was using a Magic Trackpad 2 on a machine that was running either Linux or Windows and the experience was not the same at all. I'm really surprised someone (e.g. Microsoft with the Surface Book 2) hasn't figured out the software magic that makes it so pleasant. I suspect it has to do with some different behavior it does with inputs at an extremely slow pointer speed and the initial transition to/from movement and no movement. Maybe it uses more of the 'multitouch' type input at the beginning of a movement or on a really slow movement (for instance I can move the pointer by subtlety 'rolling' a single finger in the same spot) vs. an actual movement a finger across the pad. I don't know.Just a note based on my experience with installing W10P on the MacBook Pro, I’m inclined to believe that the real magic in the Apple trackpad is software rather than hardware related.. there is not question that an Apple trackpad used with OSX is the undisputed king. When used with Windows, however, the magic just isn’t there.
Ha! Yeah the most hostile environment my laptop is likely to encounter might involve an errant latte. We are also a profession, a sizable portion of which, has been dragged kicking and screaming from WordPerfect -- specifically a version of WordPerfect from over 15 years ago. I still will a few times a year encounter a law office which is sending around a .wpd file. Don't get me started on the continued fascination with the fax machine...Concerning my profession- I’m an engineer by degree, but own an oil and gas company and recently got involved in a new venture in the industrial electric industry.
Now before you read this next little quip, recognize that it’s all in good fun and not meant to be offensive in any way!
All of you lawyers/doctors/academionites/etc. are non-technical guys that want the best (read: sleekest/sexiest/most expensive) option available for use in a relatively mild setting. Ok- End of smartassery
My laptops go from an oilfield location on the Texas/Mexico border, to the floorboard of my truck, to Alaska, to Canada, to the boardroom.. I need something rugged, versital, and truly up to the task of replacing my servers/desktop machines when high speed internet connectivity isn’t an option.
Agree. I was both disappointed in the huge trackpad and thought the keyboard was really awful on the new MacBook Pro.
You know, I think you are probably correct. I recall at some point I was using a Magic Trackpad 2 on a machine that was running either Linux or Windows and the experience was not the same at all. I'm really surprised someone (e.g. Microsoft with the Surface Book 2) hasn't figured out the software magic that makes it so pleasant. I suspect it has to do with some different behavior it does with inputs at an extremely slow pointer speed and the initial transition to/from movement and no movement. Maybe it uses more of the 'multitouch' type input at the beginning of a movement or on a really slow movement (for instance I can move the pointer by subtlety 'rolling' a single finger in the same spot) vs. an actual movement a finger across the pad. I don't know.
I’m glad you have a sense of humor (impressive for an attorney). I knew that comment was a little edgy as it was being typed...Ha! Yeah the most hostile environment my laptop is likely to encounter might involve an errant latte. We are also a profession, a sizable portion of which, has been dragged kicking and screaming from WordPerfect -- specifically a version of WordPerfect from over 15 years ago. I still will a few times a year encounter a law office which is sending around a .wpd file. Don't get me started on the continued fascination with the fax machine...
I have an SP4 that I’d like to sell, but if no one bites in the relatively near future it will become a hackentosh. This would be a great experiment regarding trackpad function.I remember getting my first MBP years ago because of the touch pad / right click on the pad ability... totally blew EVERYTHING windows out of the water.... now my original chromebook does a rather good touch pad scroll/click too and my SP3. Def. not as smooth feeling as MAC but they've come a very long way in the last couple years that's for sure
I gave up on MAC after ~3 years of daily use I couldn't get accustomed to their naming/verbiage dealing with files and would constantly delete more than I had thought based on how windows did it.
I didn't say "isn't supported," I said it doesn't work.Are you sure? I was very much under the impression that at least the 5520 did, in fact, support ECC.
I would also take Dell’s little disclaimers with a grain of salt. They don’t support reflashing HBA’s either
It's actually heavier than the P50 you mentioned earlier in the thread. It's pretty nice overall, but I'm not raving about the keyboard (Lenovo's x/t series prior to Haswell was the bee's knees, then they switched to chicklet, smh). Only has one NVME slot. 4K screen is fantastic, windows scaling less so. I'm not as demanding as I pretend to be though. My actual use has been Lightroom, Ableton, some gaming, and an Ubuntu VM that I use to code on. I still love having NVME and a spinning rust bulk storage drive onboard (shucked 2tb Backup Plus slim).On a different note, how do you like the 7510? I looked very closely at a 7520... and would have bought one (or a ZBook 15 G4) if they offered the Pascal based GPU’s. Sadly, in order to get away from a Maxwell based GPU, it seems you have to opt for a 17” encyclopedia sized machine.
An interesting observation- The ZBook 15 G4 uses an MXM GPU. If and when I find the right deal on one, I’ll be buying it and an eBay P5000/4000/3000 and doing some experimenting.