MinisForum MS-01 : heating problem
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i want a non-conductive solution and i think the PTM also have a good lifetime.
I did some more research, not being entirely familiar with the options and came to the same conclusion
@urbanduck how are you getting all those sensor outputs? I can't seem to get anything but this:
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coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0: +86.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0: +64.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 4: +59.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 8: +86.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 12: +65.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 16: +72.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 20: +60.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 24: +62.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 25: +62.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 26: +62.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 27: +62.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 28: +61.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 29: +61.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 30: +61.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 31: +61.0°C (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1: +27.8°C
nvme-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
Composite: +46.9°C (low = -5.2°C, high = +89.8°C)
(crit = +93.8°C)@plonka2000 out of curiosity, which thickness did you use for the TGP8000PT thermal pads? I'm interested to replace the ones on my unit along with the thermal paste I re-applied as whilst I did see a noticeable temperature drop with MX-4 I'm curious if the results would be better with the PTM7950 and if replacing the pads on the VRMs would be beneficial 
After re-reading his comments multiple times it appears he went with 2mm as did I. I based it off of his comment:@plonka2000 out of curiosity, which thickness did you use for the TGP8000PT thermal pads? I'm interested to replace the ones on my unit along with the thermal paste I re-applied as whilst I did see a noticeable temperature drop with MX-4 I'm curious if the results would be better with the PTM7950 and if replacing the pads on the VRMs would be beneficial
"So I've put the unit aside for now, and as soon as the pads arrive, I'll have them all installed."
2mm has worked fine for me, i also wasn't "impressed" with the temp drop. It did drop some (noted from my before/after grafana graph from monitoring). In the end I lowered my power levels to 60000/80000 and now I don't hear the fan spin up like it used to and the performance is acceptable enough for me and the temps are much better. I got the values from this post, these are automatically used when a GPU is installed and power adapter limits come into play
Just as an FYI, thermal paste will always perform better than any pad. Gamers Nexus did a good video on this and explains why
Hey folks.
I have my MS-01 installed in my living room as I don't have other option right now. The noise level the fan generates is annoying when the machine reaches the 4.5Ghz of the turbo frequency.
I've disabled the turbo for now and it's been really quiet, so no complaints from the family.
I'm wondering if there is a way to tweak the max frequency of the turbo mode. Maybe the noise would be acceptable if the max turbo frequency would be, let's say, 3Ghz.
Is there an option on bios to do that? I didn't find any.
I have my MS-01 installed in my living room as I don't have other option right now. The noise level the fan generates is annoying when the machine reaches the 4.5Ghz of the turbo frequency.
I've disabled the turbo for now and it's been really quiet, so no complaints from the family.
I'm wondering if there is a way to tweak the max frequency of the turbo mode. Maybe the noise would be acceptable if the max turbo frequency would be, let's say, 3Ghz.
Is there an option on bios to do that? I didn't find any.
@Synchro best alternative i could find was lowering the power levels to 60000/80000. See my post
I got these power levels from what the bios defaults to when a video card is installed (it tries to stay within power brick limits) so i felt they were a logical place to start. No fan noise to speak of
I got these power levels from what the bios defaults to when a video card is installed (it tries to stay within power brick limits) so i felt they were a logical place to start. No fan noise to speak of
Hey! I replaced the standard paste with MX-4, and now the idle temperature is -7 degrees lower compared to before the paste change. However, at higher frequencies (3700 for P / 2800 for E), the temperature reaches around 87 degrees, and the system starts lowering the frequency to 3000/2500, where it stabilizes at ~73 degrees and doesn't increase the frequencies.
Is this normal? How can I determine if the frequency was decreased due to temperature or other reasons? I see no thermal throttling in kernel logs so I believe this is one of CPU features.
How can I prevent the frequency from decreasing? I'm okay with the CPU staying at 80-85 degrees all the time, as I prioritize better performance, even if it means higher temperatures.
Is this normal? How can I determine if the frequency was decreased due to temperature or other reasons? I see no thermal throttling in kernel logs so I believe this is one of CPU features.
How can I prevent the frequency from decreasing? I'm okay with the CPU staying at 80-85 degrees all the time, as I prioritize better performance, even if it means higher temperatures.
hey folks,
I need some help to understand what is happening to my recently acquired ms-01.
I thought the system was thermal throttling, HWINFO says that is not the case.
in short, when I start some CPU stress testing, the system jumps from 45C~ to 90C~ and 100% usage right away. It stays at 90~ for less than a minute, and then the temperature drops to 75-80~ and the CPU usage drops to 67%~ .
The system also downclocks. When it is Idle, NZXT reports up to 4500Mhz, when it is under stress, it downclocks to 3100MHZ.
I also noticed that HWInfo is reporting that "Power Limit Exceeded". I did some googling and it appears that the motherboard cannot deliver more power to the CPU?
Any help interpreting the results is much appreciated!
I need some help to understand what is happening to my recently acquired ms-01.
I thought the system was thermal throttling, HWINFO says that is not the case.
in short, when I start some CPU stress testing, the system jumps from 45C~ to 90C~ and 100% usage right away. It stays at 90~ for less than a minute, and then the temperature drops to 75-80~ and the CPU usage drops to 67%~ .
The system also downclocks. When it is Idle, NZXT reports up to 4500Mhz, when it is under stress, it downclocks to 3100MHZ.
I also noticed that HWInfo is reporting that "Power Limit Exceeded". I did some googling and it appears that the motherboard cannot deliver more power to the CPU?
Any help interpreting the results is much appreciated!
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@plonka2000, many thanks for your posts. I had ordered the Noctua HT-2 thermal paste for the CPU, and I’m glad that a Noctua employee was kind enough to warn me about the possibility of getting the pump out effect over the course of time, and basically said their products aren’t suited for the amount of heat generated my laptop chip as compared to a desktop chip. He said to instead use a Liquid Metal or thermal pad, which led me to look into the PTM7950 and the TGP8000PT.
The PTM790 use is clear to me. It goes on top of the CPU. You have some pictures that you took earlier. What is not yet clear is: what is the TGP800Pt was used for. It’s not clear to me in the pictures where in the Pc is TGP800Pt being used for. Can yup please clarify? Thanks!!
The PTM790 use is clear to me. It goes on top of the CPU. You have some pictures that you took earlier. What is not yet clear is: what is the TGP800Pt was used for. It’s not clear to me in the pictures where in the Pc is TGP800Pt being used for. Can yup please clarify? Thanks!!
I've been having some strange lockups that just randomly started and i can't track them down. I am noticing my 22110 enterprise NVME drives are running warm, i'm unsure if they were always running this warm as i didn't record the thermals last year. I've seen some 3d printed modified cases that let you slap a 120mm fan on the bottom to cool off the drives, but I'm wondering if someone has come up with a design that would also allow heatsinks on the nvme drives?
On the left-most NVMe (the one closest to the M2 switch), I used the heat sink that came with the MS-01. I also installed a 2nd and a 3rd NVMe. I tried to put a full length copper heat sink (1mm) on the NVMe right under the fan, and it seemed to fit fine, but it actually blocked the fan so that the fan couldn’t move. I also tried a full length heat sink (copper, 1mm thick) on the middle NVMe, and it fits, but I was concerned that it may limit airflow since it basically leaves no air gap between the heat sink and the fan bracket. I’m also not sure if the middle NVMe is or is not partially under the fan.
The hottest part of an NVMe is the controller. The other parts of the NVMe don’t get that hot relative to the controller. For most NVMe’s, the controller is near the connector of the NVMe. I also use the Crucial T500 NVMe, which runs cool compared to most NVMEs.
So, you can get the greatest benefit by just putting a heatsink right above the controller, but a short hestsink that won’t get in the way of the fan.
I got two 2230m2 heatsinks:
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I used the Thermal Grizzly pad between the NVMe and heatsink:
Amazon.com: Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 - Thermal Interface Pad 100x100x0.5mm, Electrically Non-Conductive, High Thermal Conductivity & Compressibility for SSDs, GPUs & Electronics : Electronics
Amazon.com: Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 - Thermal Interface Pad 100x100x0.5mm, Electrically Non-Conductive, High Thermal Conductivity & Compressibility for SSDs, GPUs & Electronics : Electronics
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I did not take a before and after temps, but I’m sure it helps. I also put an intake fan under the MS-01 and exhaust fan above the MS-01 (AC Infinity Multifan S7).
