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Current situation:
Storage: DIY Whitebox Freenas with 6x 2TB internal drives and x12 2TB in External SAS DAS - used only for media storage. Compute - 3x old HP workstations (i7-2600/32gb/10gig/4x cheap 250gb SSDs) running vSAN.
Problems:
a) Drives are ancient, especially WD RE4 Blacks in the DAS - I only have 1 old spare left. Most of them have failures.
b) Electrical power usage
c) Overly complex
d) Not enough capacity
Usage: 4-5 Containers (some heavy memory users). VMs: Unifi Controller VM, Pi-hole, HaProxy, HomeAssistant, NVR for 4-5 IP cameras (currently iVideon)

My proposed solution is to consolidate it all in one box:
QNAP TS-873A NAS - 8 bay with 8x 14TB Toshiba Enterprise 7200 rpm drives. 64GB memory, 2x Micron 7300 MAX 800GB m.2 NVMe drives for caching and/or data tiering.
If my existing home 10gig nics won't work, I'd get and reflash Mellanox Connect-3 nic (which Qnap sells rebranded)
Qnap NAS could run either QTS (regular Linux MDRAID/EXT4) or QuTS Hero (ie ZFS) OS - I ofcourse more interested in ZFS, BUT one massive show stopper is natively QTS support QVR Pro video recording for 8 cameras (more than I'd ever need), where QuTS Hero only Included QVR Elite and comes with only 2 camera licenses and I think requires subscriptions (big thumbs down for that)

Tell me if I'm crazy, would I need much more cpu for all that?
 

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I'm biased as hell but go with at least 8 cores. Quadcores are pretty anemic in 202x.
My original DIY Freenas is still running on an i3-3220T dual CPU with an under 2k PassMark score. I used to run half a dozen jails on it including plex fairly successfully. The only reason I moved Plex away is I wanted to use Hardware acceleration with Freenas doesn't support.
V1500B is twice as fast according to PassMark, I think considering its typical TPD I should be alright with performance.

I'm also aware that V15000B and AMD, in general, are poor choices for video encoding in hardware (to put mildly) but the step-up model with Intel i3 is TVS-872X is a) $700 more expensive and b) not as power efficient. My current Plex is running on ApolloLake NUC and it's ultra power efficient.
 

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Regarding NVR, some folks recommend me to look at Frigate/Viseron projects - both support Google's Coral TPU for much more efficient motion/object detection. Coral TPU is both available as M2 and USB3 - the latter is much more likely since I'd need m2 slots for SSD caching.
 

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Current situation:
Storage: DIY Whitebox Freenas with 6x 2TB internal drives and x12 2TB in External SAS DAS - used only for media storage. Compute - 3x old HP workstations (i7-2600/32gb/10gig/4x cheap 250gb SSDs) running vSAN.
Problems:
a) Drives are ancient, especially WD RE4 Blacks in the DAS - I only have 1 old spare left. Most of them have failures.
b) Electrical power usage
c) Overly complex
d) Not enough capacity
Usage: 4-5 Containers (some heavy memory users). VMs: Unifi Controller VM, Pi-hole, HaProxy, HomeAssistant, NVR for 4-5 IP cameras (currently iVideon)

My proposed solution is to consolidate it all in one box:
QNAP TS-873A NAS - 8 bay with 8x 14TB Toshiba Enterprise 7200 rpm drives. 64GB memory, 2x Micron 7300 MAX 800GB m.2 NVMe drives for caching and/or data tiering.
If my existing home 10gig nics won't work, I'd get and reflash Mellanox Connect-3 nic (which Qnap sells rebranded)
Qnap NAS could run either QTS (regular Linux MDRAID/EXT4) or QuTS Hero (ie ZFS) OS - I ofcourse more interested in ZFS, BUT one massive show stopper is natively QTS support QVR Pro video recording for 8 cameras (more than I'd ever need), where QuTS Hero only Included QVR Elite and comes with only 2 camera licenses and I think requires subscriptions (big thumbs down for that)

Tell me if I'm crazy, would I need much more cpu for all that?

I have had big AIO to low power (4C) AIO to even lower power (and similar CPU\Perf) and foot print NAS with 10TB drives, cloud key gen2+ w\enterprise intel SSD for my cameras and another low power system for VMs. This way in my situation I can run my security cameras when power is out and not need to run 10TB spinners or VMs that aren't needed, etc...

I used Intel 9100F for my ITX NAS you could probably build one with that and 32GB RAM SM motherboard + DS380B for less than that synology.
I went back and forth between Syngoloy\QNAP or another DIY DS380B.
 
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@T_Minus - Cloud Key g2+ - Is it limited to only working with UniFi cameras? if not - does it has a usable mobile client?

I also know that the DIY route would be cheaper and even more powerful, BUT I puzzled which software/OS should I used - Go 100% bare Linux and manually configure each and every service? UnRaid ? ESXi with FreeNAS VM? or beta TrueNAS Scale?
My gut feeling tells me the latter to be the best option, but the development cycle seems slow and covid didn't help much.

Big TB spinners could be powered down then idle I assume. with the planned 800GB in SSD cache (raid1) I won't think that spinning up time would that big of an issue.
 

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@T_Minus - Cloud Key g2+ - Is it limited to only working with UniFi cameras? if not - does it has a usable mobile client?

I also know that the DIY route would be cheaper and even more powerful, BUT I puzzled which software/OS should I used - Go 100% bare Linux and manually configure each and every service? UnRaid ? ESXi with FreeNAS VM? or beta TrueNAS Scale?
My gut feeling tells me the latter to be the best option, but the development cycle seems slow and covid didn't help much.

Big TB spinners could be powered down then idle I assume. with the planned 800GB in SSD cache (raid1) I won't think that spinning up time would that big of an issue.
I use uniFi cameras so unsure if it works with others, and I don't use a mobile app but there is one.

Why do you want a rapid development cycle for your home storage? I'd prefer slow and stable :)
You can fit 4x SSD + 8x Spinners in the itx case it seems great for your purpose if you can nail down what to use ;)
 

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I use uniFi cameras so unsure if it works with others, and I don't use a mobile app but there is one.

Why do you want a rapid development cycle for your home storage? I'd prefer slow and stable :)
You can fit 4x SSD + 8x Spinners in the itx case it seems great for your purpose if you can nail down what to use ;)
I'm 99% sure that UniFi Video NVR only works with UniFi video cameras so that would be a no-go for me.

I also prefer slow and stable releases, but the issue is I need software to manage storage, VMs, and containers all in one and I know only very few.
As mentioned Unraid (still not off the table, but I have doubts about it), Maybe XPEnology, and TrueNAS Scale, once it's, gets released from its current beta state.

Again, I went with the DIY route before (many times) but some features like I said would be near impossible to get on DIY NAS like enclosure management (stuff, like lit up, LED on failed drive caddy)
 
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