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Brocade ICX Series (cheap & powerful 10gbE/40gbE switching)

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shremi

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(IMO they'll have to pry 8 from my cold dead hands):
Yeah i know still rocking my 6450 @ home , but since it will be managed for someone else they do prefer a webui , the main reason was because they need a lot of ports for POE (phones and cameras)

Edit : i ended up using the tftp system-manifest command to update this 2 switches

Anyone knows why on V9 the user root is not available anymore ?
 
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kpfleming

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Yeah i know still rocking my 6450 @ home , but since it will be managed for someone else they do prefer a webui , the main reason was because they need a lot of ports for POE (phones and cameras)

Edit : i ended up using the tftp system-manifest command to update this 2 switches

Anyone knows why on V9 the user root is not available anymore ?
There are a *TON* of changes between 08 and 09; if you haven't read the Upgrade/Release Notes, you should do that before going much further.
 

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Yeah i know still rocking my 6450 @ home , but since it will be managed for someone else they do prefer a webui , the main reason was because they need a lot of ports for POE (phones and cameras)

Edit : i ended up using the tftp system-manifest command to update this 2 switches

Anyone knows why on V9 the user root is not available anymore ?

If you're not using the latest and greatest switches from Ruckus (8200 / 7650 / 7850 etc) just stick to 08.xx instead of 09.xx or 10.xx. The newer OS releases are super SLOW on older hardware
 

Gerhen

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Just because something is newer doesn't necessarily mean it's better. There's a reason why the "docs" still recommend 8.x.
Several posts knocking 9.x so thought I’d chime in with a counter example. For me, been running 9.x since late 2023 including 1 or 2 updates since (I forget) and it’s been stable. Configured with the router firmware for the home environment (not a lab): a few vlans with ACLs and 8 PoE devices. I don’t notice any negative performance impact.
 

itronin

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Yeah right on. I would also assume no difference but you know what happens when you assume. It's all too familiar of a story when a company cuts costs by using crappier parts or components but sell the same product as if there's nothing different.
no difference other than the badge, sticker, and chassis color. commscope/ruckus/brocade makes the ANX-7150 for Access Networks. The gear is actually more expensive than your typical brocade 7150 from the disty channels, same is true for the AP's and other switches too. Switches and AP's look familiar to anyone? Access Networks is used predominantly by home media/automation/smart home companies for high-end custom upscale deployments. The end-user is typically paying the smart home company for support, the smart home company goes to Access Networks for support on the gear NOT Commscope. Access may need to go to commscope for support depending on the issue. heck, if you look at what (at least in the early days) needed to be done in a ruckus multi-ap environment with brocade switches to make a multi SONOS device deployment work reliably then you start to get an inkling of all the other components (and ecosystem integration) that ends up being done. So there is some knowledge required on all of that and it is worth some $$$.

Your typical c-level with the fancy home is not going to sysadmin their own sh*te. The c-level outsources it to said smart home company. As with anything the H/W margin is not that great (though better than consumer/commidity) but the margin on the support - I think a lot of us know that's where long term revenue and higher margin can come from. The margin on the Access gear though is pretty phenomenal (to someone at some point though) given the mark-ups.

For example: I had to review a quote from one such smart home company 2 years ago - basically talking about a couple of ANX7250-24p's, 4 A710's, and a sphos XG230. $29K USD installed with 3 years of support baked in on the network. Used bay pricing then uhmmmm (estimates on high side), $1k for the ICX7250's, 4xR710 you get another $1K, $500 for a used XG230, $2.5K, +5 hours to research what you need to do, get your config in order, bump firmwares, configure, and rock and roll with a serious reduction in cost. Now, not a fair comparison, used vs. new, self insure on the hardware bits, and hourly for support. said customer was not your typical C-level type which is why I ended up doing the review for them and they went that route.

There is a market for the Access products - a very premium market and IMO not necessarily a scam if you are truly getting the full white glove service for your fancy shmancy smart home ecologies.

It is definitely premium though.

that black chassis on the 7150 though - sweeeeeetttttt!
 
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I agree with what you wrote but I personally feel many C-level types are difficult to deal with and often have unrealistic expectations so I would want a "pain-in-the-ass" fee to service those types of customers. A director once told me he reported to some VP and it was "constant "I need this yesterday, could you quickly get XYZ to me?" 24x7."
 
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lol @itronin I think you wanted to get something off your chest in your post I think. :p

Appreciate your insight. I've personally known of Brocade for years as they were always common when I was doing doing work related to storage. Plenty of SAN switches. Never messed with em too much directly though. I feel like I hadn't never heard of Ruckus before seeing all the info here but I've been far removed from a hands on tech role for a while. Glad they handle the tech well.
 

itronin

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lol @itronin I think you wanted to get something off your chest in your post I think. :p
perhaps. maybe I could have just said:

AXN switches and AP's are just brocade and ruckus, marked up and bundled with support from fancy schmancy resellers and sold to wealthy folks who can afford it.

But in all honesty as I think you've seen before I do tend to pontificate from time to time so maybe I used your comment as an excuse to reply and distract myself from performing my day job. o_O Though if pontificating were my day job I might be sitting on my throne and hanging out on Reddit instead of here. ;)
 
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techfan32

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I just bought a Brocade ICX7250 48 port version. Can anyone help with how I can mount this in my 4 post server rack? It came with rack ears for the front, but not rails. Do I need specific rails, or am I better off just putting it on a shelf? Thanks for any advice!
 
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TonyArrr

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I just bought a Brocade ICX7250 48 port version. Can anyone help with how I can mount this in my 4 post server rack? It came with rack ears for the front, but not rails. Do I need specific rails, or am I better off just putting it on a shelf? Thanks for any advice!
Anecdotally, my 7250-24p has been pretty happy in my rack with just the front rack ears
 

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I just bought a Brocade ICX7250 48 port version. Can anyone help with how I can mount this in my 4 post server rack? It came with rack ears for the front, but not rails. Do I need specific rails, or am I better off just putting it on a shelf? Thanks for any advice!
i just have mine screwed with the ears...no rails...I figure ai have no need to pull it our as all the cables would prevent it.
 

john389

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Has anyone ever looked into the image files of a ICX7250 and seen if BGP could be enabled for it? As someone in this thread pointed out, there are old pdfs that explicitly state, that it has BGP support. Obviously it doesn't now, but what is really the limitation here, if at some point in time Brocade expected it to have it?
 

servethehomefan

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On a ICX 6450 48P how many POE devices can I have enabled? I see in the Datasheet it says all can be POE ports and PoE+ (30 watts) to all ports when an external power supply is deployed.

Few questions about this:
1. How many watts can this unit deliver for POE (and if different, PoE+) without an external power supply?
2. If needing an external power supply, what is a model number to acquire?
3. What is the CLI command for enabling PoE versus PoE+ and will the unit enable up to a certain limit?

I am trying to figure out if 8 POE cameras and 8 POE access points will all be successfully powered from this 6450-48P.
The 8 POE cameras are 802.3af with maximum current of 350mA each.
The access points are not purchased but will likely be Ruckus R350 or R550 so their specs say maximum power consumption of 12.62W each.
 

sic0048

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On a ICX 6450 48P how many POE devices can I have enabled?
The spec sheet says the POE power budget of the 6450 48P using just the internal power supply is 780 watts. As long as your individual devices draw 30 watts or less (the POE+ power rating that the switch is designed to supply), and the total wattage of all the connected POE devices is less than 780 watts, you will be fine powering them from just the internal power supply.

Obviously with as few devices that you are trying to connect, you will have no problems with plenty of power to spare.