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Brocade ICX Series (cheap & powerful 10gbE/40gbE switching)

kapone

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I think this has been repeated enough in this thread (and others) enough times.

THERE IS NO GOOD WAY TO SILENCE THESE BEASTS.

You're talking serious enterprise gear than can push >0.5tbps. That's terabit per second.

Silence was never even a consideration.
 

plexisaurus

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I think this has been repeated enough in this thread (and others) enough times.

THERE IS NO GOOD WAY TO SILENCE THESE BEASTS.

You're talking serious enterprise gear than can push >0.5tbps. That's terabit per second.

Silence was never even a consideration.
THAT IS QUITTER TALK. Anything can be cooled quietly, just a matter of engineering and design trade offs. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure slapping two 180mm fans on top would do it easily with lower than stock temps, but it is more work, and would make it take up more rack space. Someone else did this with a ICX 6610 which has a higher TDP.
 

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i thought i might have messed up earlier in my config by following fodesha's acl guide but show running-config dosn't list any ACLs so thats not it...
doh!

so i've discoved a couple of things about fastiron:
1) you have to 'depoly' a lacp/lag bond before it activates
2) it seems less tolerant of janky setups than my old hp2810/J9021A

I discovered this my moving my router/firewall vm over to my 2nd host - all of a sudden my wifi (which is isolated on its own vlan) started working! it seems like something in the networking of one of my 2 hosts networking is borked. i'm having a look but i might also just give up and get 10gb nics for it and start again (as i'd been meaning to do this now that i have 10g ports to play with anyhow). i'm going to cross post to the proxmox forum in case those folks have any idea whats wrong - the two networking setups on the machine are exactly the same except for the systemd defined interface names (and it was working with the HP switch)

i'm having second thoughts about routing EVERY thing though my firewall/router VM - i might try my hand a doing from routing between my management vlan and my lan vlan as that is the only place where the performance would matter.

after I've got my misbehaving node figured out - I'll have a shot at pulling the sfp module our of my ONT as i have a similar ISP to this post (without the PPPoE BS) https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/brocade-icx-6610-with-bell-canada-fibe-ftth.20998/

so to answer my own question: if you don't define any router interfaces or ACLs an ICX series switch behaves like a layer 2 managed switch. (at least it seams to)
 

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kapone

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THAT IS QUITTER TALK. Anything can be cooled quietly, just a matter of engineering and design trade offs. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure slapping two 180mm fans on top would do it easily with lower than stock temps, but it is more work, and would make it take up more rack space. Someone else did this with a ICX 6610 which has a higher TDP.
Yup, I was one of the first ones to mod a 6610 with 3x 120mm fans on top. :)

Like I said no good way...
 

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FYI I've swapped the two stock fans with two Sunon MF40201vx-1000u-g99 MagLev ones. I'm considering adding a 3rd, adding a slim fan on top of asic, or go full nuclear and cut out holes for mounting dual top-down 140-180mm fans
I exchanged on my 7250-24P the two fans to Delta EFB0412VHD-F00. This was a huge improvement for noise but now I got a temperature issue. I am waiting for the Sunon MF60101V3-1000U-A99 fan I ordered to put on top of the ASIC. Unfortunately, I could not find any other alternative with thin height and have to be patient due to long delivery time.

 

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I exchanged on my 7250-24P the two fans to Delta EFB0412VHD-F00. This was a huge improvement for noise but now I got a temperature issue. I am waiting for the Sunon MF60101V3-1000U-A99 fan I ordered to put on top of the ASIC. Unfortunately, I could not find any other alternative with thin height and have to be patient due to long delivery time.

Did you order from Mouser? They have them in stock right now (that's where I bought mine from).
 

plexisaurus

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I exchanged on my 7250-24P the two fans to Delta EFB0412VHD-F00. This was a huge improvement for noise but now I got a temperature issue. I am waiting for the Sunon MF60101V3-1000U-A99 fan I ordered to put on top of the ASIC. Unfortunately, I could not find any other alternative with thin height and have to be patient due to long delivery time.

I'm ordering the MF60101V1-1000U-G99. It's rated at 28ish dbA which better matches the dba rating of the 40mm fans. No point in sacrificing airflow when any dbA benefit will be canceled by the louder 40mm fans. Also thanks for pointing me to that post by roachedcoach, I overlooked that one in my search.
 

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Instead of being dismissive, how about actually being helpful and share a data point like was asked.
Not being dismissive, just pointing out the obvious. These are 1U devices packed with enough hardware to do serious switching. 1U devices are inherently difficult to cool, silently. If there was a good, easy way to keep them cool AND silent, the interwebs would have their panties in a bunch by now. But they don't.

That should tell you everything you need to know. Can it be done? Sure. Can it be done at a reasonable cost and maintaining hardware longevity? Nope.

I could easily design a water-cooling system that will keep them completely silent AND cool. It'll most likely cost more than a few switches combined, because it'll be a one off with custom components.
 

plexisaurus

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Not being dismissive, just pointing out the obvious. These are 1U devices packed with enough hardware to do serious switching. 1U devices are inherently difficult to cool, silently. If there was a good, easy way to keep them cool AND silent, the interwebs would have their panties in a bunch by now. But they don't.

That should tell you everything you need to know. Can it be done? Sure. Can it be done at a reasonable cost and maintaining hardware longevity? Nope.

I could easily design a water-cooling system that will keep them completely silent AND cool. It'll most likely cost more than a few switches combined, because it'll be a one off with custom components.
I'm not going to debate the thermal engineering with you, and I never asked for or wanted your opinion on the feasibility. I was simply asking for specific data to use to make my own decisions with. You do you.
 

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i am interested in ICX7150-C12P, but have two main questions.
1. can it be used as router? looking at spec sheets and posts looks like can. maybe someone is running it like router.
2. can sfp+ and rj45 uplink ports used as simple ports for wiring lan devices?

one extra:
i have gpon fiber at home. Would it be possible to use gpon sfp transceiver on sfp ports?
The C12P's SFP and 'uplink' ports (C1,C2) can certainly be used to wire LAN devices. The RJ45 uplink ports don't provide PoE like ports 1-12 do.
 

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i am interested in ICX7150-C12P, but have two main questions.
1. can it be used as router? looking at spec sheets and posts looks like can. maybe someone is running it like router.
2. can sfp+ and rj45 uplink ports used as simple ports for wiring lan devices?

one extra:
i have gpon fiber at home. Would it be possible to use gpon sfp transceiver on sfp ports?
I'm sure the switch would support the GPON transceiver (the 10G ports run in 1G mode when not licensed); whether or not your ISP supports it is another matter (or if you can work around it).
 

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I have something weird going on.

I got my icx 6450-48p and started it up with the stock fan, this worked fine. I replaced the stock fans with the sunon maglev fans (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006ODM76C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1), and this seems to be causing a power surge as it trips the breakers for my office after initial fan spindown. However, when I plug the switch to a different circuit (different room of the house) it boots and stays on just fine.

Has anyone observed similar behavior? I have the 48port poe version as I expected I will need PoE at some point, but is there a way to disable/disconnect poe to reduce the power consumption?
 

infoMatt

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I replaced the stock fans with the sunon maglev fans and this seems to be causing a power surge as it trips the breakers for my office after initial fan spindown.
Those fans can draw a handful of watts each at most, many won't even reach a single W of power consumption... I don't think that your issues with the breaker is anywhere near related to the fans, but I suspect a general overload of the circuit, that after a couple of minutes with the additional consumption of the switch itself (not the fans!) trips the protection.
The moment that the switch spins down the fan is when it's booted up and it initialize the "real" switch chip inside; during bootup with the fans at full tilt the actual power consumption is wayyy less than during normal usage.
 

sputnik13

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but I suspect a general overload of the circuit, that after a couple of minutes with the additional consumption of the switch itself (not the fans!) trips the protection
I have had this switch on for hours in my office prior to the fan swap, that's what puzzles me...

Actually, I put the cover back on and tried turning it on again (the cover was off in previous attempts) and it seems fine now even with the sunon fans... rather perplexed what might have been causing the overload.
 
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infoMatt

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I have had this switch on for hours in my office prior to the fan swap, that's what puzzles me...

Actually, I put the cover back on and tried turning it on again (the cover was off in previous attempts) and it seems fine now even with the sunon fans... rather perplexed what might have been causing the overload.
Maybe you're "at the edge" of the allowable power draw of the circuit and a small "kick" of ~100W or so during bootup may be enough to trip it... you'd feel the breaker being warm in this case, and it might not even want to stay closed right after it disengages in the worst case.

Try to look at what it's plugged in and what may cause a high power consumption... :confused:
 

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Did you order from Mouser? They have them in stock right now (that's where I bought mine from).
The Delta I bought from Mouser. The Sunon I ordered from RS.

I'm ordering the MF60101V1-1000U-G99. It's rated at 28ish dbA which better matches the dba rating of the 40mm fans. No point in sacrificing airflow when any dbA benefit will be canceled by the louder 40mm fans. Also thanks for pointing me to that post by roachedcoach, I overlooked that one in my search.
My plan is first to connect this fan in parallel to the housing fans. So, it will run at fan level 1 anyhow slower and at a different noise level. If this is not enough, I will connect it to permanently 12 V. This is my plan. No idea if it will work. I can report later.

For me the housing fans were expensive as I could not find anything at local shops and I had to order oversee with high shipping costs. But this Sunon I could find locally and it was not more than the value of a beer.

If all will not work, the 7250-24P will go back to eBay where it comes from. Too bad, I really like the spec. But this was part of my plan.