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Apple's M1 CPU single core performance (nearly?) beating Zen3 :-O
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Have you completely missed test results for Apple A14 which is basically a mobile version of M1?
AFAIK Apple leans towards enforcing OS X. Even if this would be possible, there will be no graphics driver/name every proprietary driver.
Let's agree to disagree. SpecInt2006 isn't marketing bs. Most of the SpecInt2006 A14 numbers WERE indeed estimated, but given AnandTech superior previous accuracy in their benchmark estimations, I tend to think these would be very close real ones.
Also, GeekBench6 Single thread was run (not estimated) and nearly beat Ryzen 9 5950X. Again A14 tested was 5W SoC. Power/Performance they are already ahead of Intel (based on SpecInt2006).
I am NOT saying that we should all take it for granted, but these early numbers indicate that real numbers look extremely promising.
Will be interesting to see those number verified with actual M1 test by anandtech and others. They do more with less resource requirement in the mobile market now as the Anandtech summarized. Also interested to see where they go next and how the expand thier silicon into the iMac and Mac Pro desktop market. Nice to see them push AMD and others. Intellectual Competition is a good thing, even if DIYers are unlikely to directly benefit.
So if it doesn't run the software I want...it's not really useful, no matter how fast it is.
Excactly, see banking/insurance applications still running on ibm mainframes
Or quantum computers (currently)Excactly, see banking/insurance applications still running on ibm mainframes
Apple Silicon has a stupidly high PPW but AMD and the rest of the industry aren't standing still.
Really? Pray tell where can you buy ten Zen3s for the price of one Apple?
I recently purchased a Mac Mini M4/16/256 for 450 USD back about 2 months ago (it's now 500) - even with a 3rd party 2TB storage module it only came out to ~700, which isn't that bad - a 2020 Macbook Pro 13 Touchbar M1/16/512 goes for ~600 on Backmarket and those are much more solid than the Intel Ice lake 13 Touchbars it replaced. I also don't think that my Macbook Air 13 (M4/16/512) is overpriced at 1260 (including taxes and with a yearly AppleCare+ subscrption) per-se - I've had it do things that match my AMD Phoenix based Framework 13 (which costs more than that and with 1/3 of the battery runtime) while occupying less space in my backpack.
Considering that a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx based ThinkPad X13s Gen 1 with 1/2 to 1/3 of its firepower goes for about 350-400 on fleabay (or the fact that Argon wants 455 USD for their Pi5 CM based Argon40 One Up kit on Kickstarter, and it's literally half the CPU/RAM/storage of that x13s), it's not that bad price-wise for a non-STB, non-Pi-like ARM machine for f-ing around (it's also good for hyperscalers on ARM to test code that can break on modern ARM64's 16k page size situation versus the usual 4k on amd64). I would even say that Asahi Fedora Remix 42 on a used MBP13 M1 TB ran better (more stable with less quirks) than Debian 13 on a x13s Gen 1. Hell, now that I think about it, my MBA13M4 ran Win11 24H2 or Debian 13 using UTM (hypervisor) just as well as my X13s Gen 1...which was quite an achievement.
Granted that the Apple tax has always been a thing and they have a penchant for overcharging (and this is me typing on a 3000 dollar M1 pro 14/32/512 on the left docking station and with a 1500 dollar (Zen4) AMD Hawk Point p14s Gen 5 with an 8840HS/32/512 on my right docking station, and the M1P/Zen4+Radeon 880M being close to each other perf-wise)...it doesn't take away from the fact that despite the marketing, they did mostly deliver on performance.
Whether this performance justify the closed ecosystem or the soldered components (with few exceptions, the storage slot on that M4 Mini being one freakish rarity) is a good question (the same one can also be asked of Qualcomm when it came to their Snadragon Laptops - other than the NVMe slot they are just as repair/upgrade hostile for fairly lousy reasons, and they don't have really the performance edge to justify it). Whether this performance matters much on the server rack side of things, well, that's another question.
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i can take Zen3 and put it in where i want.
i can't do with apple. i have to eat what they serve, and that's too expensive.
Really? You can put your Epyc Rome server next to your TV for streaming videos (did that on my M4 Mac Mini), or into your bag as your daily driver laptop (once again, Macbook Pro user).
Look, I like my Zens (I have multiple t640s and t740s, a t755, a Steam Deck, an HP mt46, an HP Elitebook 845G9 and a Framework 13 Phoenix), which spans the gamut from OG Zen all the way to Zen4, and I have AWS instance on Rome and Milan (r6a and c6a), but I switch CPU architectures and types where it makes sense.
It also doesn't take away from the fact that Apple Silicon is fast. Whether it's economically sensible, well, that's another matter altogether - Depends on your use case and location.
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