10Gb SFP+ RJ45 100m

[hellome]

My Wiitek UF-RJ45-10G-100 has arrived and I can confirm that it seems to work fine in my Solarflare SFN7322N card. What's more, it seems to run quite cool with just a 2m cable:

    Identifier                                : 0x03 (SFP)
    Extended identifier                       : 0x04 (GBIC/SFP defined by 2-wire interface ID)
    Connector                                 : 0x07 (LC)
    Transceiver codes                         : 0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x40 0x04 0x80 0x00
    Transceiver type                          : 10G Ethernet: 10G Base-SR
    Transceiver type                          : FC: intermediate distance (I)
    Transceiver type                          : FC: Shortwave laser w/o OFC (SN)
    Transceiver type                          : FC: Multimode, 50um (M5)
    Transceiver type                          : FC: 1200 MBytes/sec
    Encoding                                  : 0x06 (64B/66B)
    BR, Nominal                               : 10300MBd
    Rate identifier                           : 0x00 (unspecified)
    Length (SMF,km)                           : 0km
    Length (SMF)                              : 0m
    Length (50um)                             : 80m
    Length (62.5um)                           : 30m
    Length (Copper)                           : 0m
    Length (OM3)                              : 300m
    Laser wavelength                          : 850nm
    Vendor name                               : Wiitek
    Vendor OUI                                : 00:00:00
    Vendor PN                                 : UF-RJ45-10G-100
    Vendor rev                                : 10
    Option values                             : 0x00 0x1a
    Option                                    : RX_LOS implemented
    Option                                    : TX_FAULT implemented
    Option                                    : TX_DISABLE implemented
    BR margin, max                            : 0%
    BR margin, min                            : 0%
    Vendor SN                                 : WAMZ012409X48U
    Date code                                 : 240914
    Optical diagnostics support               : Yes
    Laser bias current                        : 6.000 mA
    Laser output power                        : 0.5000 mW / -3.01 dBm
    Receiver signal average optical power     : 0.4000 mW / -3.98 dBm
    Module temperature                        : 40.68 degrees C / 105.22 degrees F
    Module voltage                            : 3.3032 V
    Alarm/warning flags implemented           : Yes
    Laser bias current high alarm             : Off
    Laser bias current low alarm              : Off
    Laser bias current high warning           : Off
    Laser bias current low warning            : Off
    Laser output power high alarm             : Off
    Laser output power low alarm              : Off
    Laser output power high warning           : Off
    Laser output power low warning            : Off
    Module temperature high alarm             : Off
    Module temperature low alarm              : Off
    Module temperature high warning           : Off
    Module temperature low warning            : Off
    Module voltage high alarm                 : Off
    Module voltage low alarm                  : Off
    Module voltage high warning               : Off
    Module voltage low warning                : Off
    Laser rx power high alarm                 : Off
    Laser rx power low alarm                  : Off
    Laser rx power high warning               : Off
    Laser rx power low warning                : Off
    Laser bias current high alarm threshold   : 15.000 mA
    Laser bias current low alarm threshold    : 1.000 mA
    Laser bias current high warning threshold : 13.000 mA
    Laser bias current low warning threshold  : 2.000 mA
    Laser output power high alarm threshold   : 1.9952 mW / 3.00 dBm
    Laser output power low alarm threshold    : 0.1584 mW / -8.00 dBm
    Laser output power high warning threshold : 1.5848 mW / 2.00 dBm
    Laser output power low warning threshold  : 0.1778 mW / -7.50 dBm
    Module temperature high alarm threshold   : 95.00 degrees C / 203.00 degrees F
    Module temperature low alarm threshold    : -50.00 degrees C / -58.00 degrees F
    Module temperature high warning threshold : 90.00 degrees C / 194.00 degrees F
    Module temperature low warning threshold  : -45.00 degrees C / -49.00 degrees F
    Module voltage high alarm threshold       : 3.6000 V
    Module voltage low alarm threshold        : 3.0000 V
    Module voltage high warning threshold     : 3.5000 V
    Module voltage low warning threshold      : 3.1000 V
    Laser rx power high alarm threshold       : 1.1220 mW / 0.50 dBm
    Laser rx power low alarm threshold        : 0.0199 mW / -17.01 dBm
    Laser rx power high warning threshold     : 1.0000 mW / 0.00 dBm
    Laser rx power low warning threshold      : 0.0223 mW / -16.52 dBm

Thanks all.

 

[kusmi]

OK, I ordered two examples from AliExpress and will report back how they work (performance and temperatures):

• ZYOPM: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006875162404.html (the 80 m variant), just because they are reasonably priced and reviewers tell, they are not running that hot. Also asked the seller about temperatures and chipset: should be cooler and have Broadcom chips - let's see. USD 25.55 after Blackfriday discounts
• NVOC: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008119459901.html (100 m), this is the NVOC discussed above. USD 50.19

OK, I received both modules and with some preliminary testing, it looks good in my Mikrotik 309 - they both run approximately 50 °C idle - same as my fiber modules. When I should guess, the NVOC probably runs 1-2 °C cooler - but it fluctuates much more than the other, perhaps the reporting interval is higher on it.

It is probably a bit difficult to compare to your numbers, as we have different network gears and additionally I have mounted my Mikrotik switch vertically with all ports up (so heat is building up on front panel where all sfp transceivers are located). But I'm happy with both so far, when touching they feel warm but not overly hot - so I guess the ZYOPM with USD 25.55 is probably a good price/value.

I will do proper speed test in future and also try to place it on some other network gear I have (Mellanox-3 on my workstation and a BananaPi R4, which I use as a router).

 

[Jabes]

I saw a post on reddit that said that these 80m and the 100m are the same chipset but they are just sorted for performance. It'd be nice to have that confirmed by someone else who knows about these things. If that's true I'd expect their temperature performance to be comparable at most short distances

 

[Volidon]

OK, I received both modules and with some preliminary testing, it looks good in my Mikrotik 309 - they both run approximately 50 °C idle - same as my fiber modules. When I should guess, the NVOC probably runs 1-2 °C cooler - but it fluctuates much more than the other, perhaps the reporting interval is higher on it.

It is probably a bit difficult to compare to your numbers, as we have different network gears and additionally I have mounted my Mikrotik switch vertically with all ports up (so heat is building up on front panel where all sfp transceivers are located). But I'm happy with both so far, when touching they feel warm but not overly hot - so I guess the ZYOPM with USD 25.55 is probably a good price/value.

I will do proper speed test in future and also try to place it on some other network gear I have (Mellanox-3 on my workstation and a BananaPi R4, which I use as a router).

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Does the ZYOPM one negotiate at lower speeds such as 2.5gbps, 5gbps, and 1gpbs? I have a wiiktek broadcom one that does negotiate at 2.5gbps and wanted to see if the ZYOPM one does too before purchasing

 

[Jabes]

I have a wiiktek broadcom one that does negotiate at 2.5gbps

interesting! The Amazon listing says it doesn’t but it did for me in my test (sample size of 1 to a 2.5gbs lan card in my docking station — chipset unknown)

 

[WhiteNoise]

Hello. I have been following this thread. I pulled the trigger on a couple of ZYOPM 80m this morning on Aliexpress.

Before the purchase, I tried talking with their support and I pressed them to figure out the the differences (they all sell 30m, 80m, 100m) variants.

What I got is that that
- 30m version uses AQR113
- 80m version uses BCM84891L
- 100m version uses BCM84891L but has a better PCB circuit and consumes even less power.

So there's that. It's hard to tell how much truth there is because sometimes you talk with sales people who don't understand or intentionally or intentionally misleading.

They all say that it doesn't support 2.5G/5G. Even though the Broadcom website says it does.

There's also BCM84891 (non-L). From what I gathered, I don't think it is older/newer than BCM84891L. It's just a different size/format of the same chip.

 

[Shonk]

I have a few 10Gb SFP+ RJ45 Modules

ATS SFP-10G-T
30M Aquantia
10M 100M 1G 2.5G 5G 10G
Wol Works
Runs Hot but runs well

Xicom SFP+-10G-TE
80M BCM84891L
2.5G 5G 10G
Seems to link at lower speeds if forced but doesnt pass traffic
This is fine to link to another switch no good to link to a pc that needs wol
Runs cool

PACBTECH PAC-10G-T80
80M BCM84891L
10G
Seems to link at lower speeds if forced but doesnt pass traffic (only 10G works)

This one is useless
Cannot link slower to cool its self down in an emergency
if the PC goes into S3 and negotiates a slower speed
10M 100M 1G 2.5G 5G the pc thinks wol will work
but the module wont pass the traffic on

I returned the PACBTECH one and aliexpress tried not refunding me
PACBTECH said the return wasnt as described which it was
luckily i recorded the whole return process and took it up with paypal
When i tried to message them PACBTECH had blocked me as soon as i started the return process..

I managed to get the cost of the module refunded
but aliexpress refused to refund me the £4.30 return cost
stating lack of evidence
even though i provided photo + video documentation
including the receipt from royal mail with tracking and cost

avoid this one

The Xicom one is solid if you are fine with 2.5G 5G 10G only

The ATS one is very good but runs hot

Im tempted to stick with Aquantia until we get confirmed working at all speeds 80M/100M modules

 

[WhiteNoise]

After reading more on the subject, I think I have a better grasp on the why some speeds may not work.
To begin, there is no NBaseT in the SFP world. The manufactures use NbaseT PHY and try to make them appear as fiber optics ones.
To make different speeds work, there are two ways:
1. Always emulate 10Gbase-SR and inject an appropriate number of empty frames when connected at 5/2.5/1 etc.
2. Emulate 2.5Gbase-SX when 2.5G, Emulate 1.25Gbase-SX when 1G, and so on.

I believe 1 is the method employed by the 30m Aquantia based PHY.

 

[blunden]

After reading more on the subject, I think I have a better grasp on the why some speeds may not work.
To begin, there is no NBaseT in the SFP world. The manufactures use NbaseT PHY and try to make them appear as fiber optics ones.
To make different speeds work, there are two ways:
1. Always emulate 10Gbase-SR and inject an appropriate number of empty frames when connected at 5/2.5/1 etc.
2. Emulate 2.5Gbase-SX when 2.5G, Emulate 1.25Gbase-SX when 1G, and so on.

I believe 1 is the method employed by the 30m Aquantia based PHY.

It appears to be possible to program the 10GBASE-T SFP+ transceivers to appear in a way that at least ethtool identifies as "Extended: 10Gbase-T Short Reach". Most transceivers will fake being a fiber transceiver because that increases compatibility. For instance, some NICs refuse to work with 10GBASE-T transceivers unless they claim to be a fiber transceiver.

I wouldn't necessarily call it "emulation". It think it's mostly just spoofed EEPROM data.

What people say about the Aquantia ones is that they use pause frames for rate limiting. Whether that's true or not is not something I've confirmed personally.

 

[Jabes]

This popped up as an ad on my reddit - luleey - never heard of them before, but their prices are very keen and they call out the chipsets

10GBase-T SFP+ To RJ45 Copper Module 30m/80m/100m,sfp Module - LuLeey.com | One-stop Optical Fiber Product Supplier

High-speed Connectivity: Experience lightning-fast Ethernet speeds with our 10GBase-T sfp module Easy Conversion: Our SFP to RJ45 module delivers seamless photoelectric conversion for hassle-free Ethernet connections. Full Brand Compatibility: To work with following brands, please choose...

www.luleey.com

 

[blunden]

This popped up as an ad on my reddit - luleey - never heard of them before, but their prices are very keen and they call out the chipsets

10GBase-T SFP+ To RJ45 Copper Module 30m/80m/100m,sfp Module - LuLeey.com | One-stop Optical Fiber Product Supplier

High-speed Connectivity: Experience lightning-fast Ethernet speeds with our 10GBase-T sfp module Easy Conversion: Our SFP to RJ45 module delivers seamless photoelectric conversion for hassle-free Ethernet connections. Full Brand Compatibility: To work with following brands, please choose...

www.luleey.com

Interesting. I've never heard of them either. One thing that isn't clear to me is if VAT is included in the price. My guess would be no, but they clearly change the currency based on location, so they could certainly be factoring that in. Would be useful to know for EU buyers.

 

[blunden]

The ZYOPM 100 meter one is on sale now. I got it for $25.20 (including 25% VAT) using AliExpress coupons and coins. That would mean roughly $20 excluding VAT.

I had to go through the coin page in the app to get the "25% off with coins" offer, otherwise it was sometimes 15% and sometimes 5%.

It was from the listing below, but like I said, it seems like you need to go through your "For you" page under the coins section. I figure that opening the listing once or twice might help it show up there though.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008504978560.html

 

[thigobr]

25% is not working here, but I will keep an eye

 

[blunden]

25% is not working here, but I will keep an eye

What price does it end up being in the cart for you with discounts applied?

It still says 25% for me when going through the coin section, but I'm unable to get the same total price as before. It now ends up being $30.09 including VAT ($24 excluding VAT). Still a good price, but not quite as low as before.

 

[WhiteNoise]

You are writing price in dollars, but are you in the US? Remember that here in the use we have around +30% tariff of stuff coming from aliexpress.

 

[blunden]

You are writing price in dollars, but are you in the US? Remember that here in the use we have around +30% tariff of stuff coming from aliexpress.

No, I'm not. I write in USD because it's probably easier for everyone to know roughly how much I paid, but also because I paid in USD as it's cheaper than to let AliExpress do the currency conversion.

There's a whole world outside the US that might find these interesting. Also, it might still be the cheapest 100 meter 10GBASE-T transceiver you can find, even with the 30% tariff.

 

[thingy2098]

Slightly OT - I bought one of these LIANGUO 5G ones, and I wish more manufacturers offered a feature like it does, as I wanted a 'one module to rule them all' for my homelab and all my 10G stuff is DACs and fiber.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008013250541.html

It has the tiniest little switch inside that lets it switch modes and negotiate at different speeds. Initially I thought it was just an SFP vs SFP+ mode switch, but the 'slow' mode still supports 2.5gbit, oddly enough.



I still have to do some testing to map out what it reports back to the switch in all its various modes and negotiated speeds, but sure would be great if there was a 10g one that was capable of doing the same.

One of the reviews mentions that it seems to present itself to the switch at 10GBase-T in the 'fast' mode, so maybe it just presents itself as a gigabit SFP in 'slow' mode, and 10GBase-T in the 'fast' mode, and then just handles the speed negotiation with the other end independently via empty frame injection?



Edit: After flipping the switch, I think it just switches to a different spoofed eeprom reporting as 2.5g-SR

 

[thigobr]

What price does it end up being in the cart for you with discounts applied?

It still says 25% for me when going through the coin section, but I'm unable to get the same total price as before. It now ends up being $30.09 including VAT ($24 excluding VAT). Still a good price, but not quite as low as before.

I am only seeing 5% discount even after going through the Coins page... But that's ok. After all discounts and tariffs it's still $50!
I will probably wait for modules using the new Realtek RTL8261C as these are supposed to consume ~1.65W

 

[Shonk]

Also Realtek RTL8261C supports 10M/100M/1G/2.5G/5G/10G

That ZYOPM 100M is 10G only no other speeds so wol and such wont work

Im going to get one or two RTL8261C's when they release

 

[blunden]

I am only seeing 5% discount even after going through the Coins page... But that's ok. After all discounts and tariffs it's still $50!
I will probably wait for modules using the new Realtek RTL8261C as these are supposed to consume ~1.65W

Weird. Must be some kind of personal discount of some sort then. I did see someone else get one for £25 though, so I'm not the only one who's seeing a decent discount.

Yeah, those are promising. I imagine that it might take a while for those to become cheap, but it's Realtek so who knows. These Broadcom ones were selling for $90-150 as recently as August last year as they were only available i transceivers from more well known brands.

Also Realtek RTL8261C supports 10M/100M/1G/2.5G/5G/10G

That ZYOPM 100M is 10G only no other speeds so wol and such wont work

Im going to get one or two RTL8261C's when they release

That's true. That doesn't mean that all transceivers using the RTL8261C will support those speeds though. I guess we'll see.

Either way, please post them here as soon as you find them for sale. I'm curious to see how fast they reach the market.