So I just want to make sure I got it right...Raptor lake doesn't mean it's raptor lake! 13400 is raptor lake but also Alder lake based
Oh my god 
It is what it is - but it isn't?
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It is what it is - but it isn't?
It is raptor lake IN NAME ONLY
the only thing Raptor lake H shares with Raptor lake S is the generation
And as for 13400 to 13600 non K? All of them are based on Alder lake-S dies. So is 13100 and 14100
It's not like there can't be differences between the chips, just because one is somewhat (or closely) based on another. At what point do we stop saying "It's based on the Intel 4004"? If Intel decided to give it a new name - they themselves decide that and "poof" it becomes a Raptor Lake H. Not an Alder Lake H.
Now we are on to other topics, diverged past the topic of the MS-0's 13900H and the (verifiable) differences with the slightly older, slightly slower 12900H.
There are differences and the 13900H is faster than the 12900H.
- Does that mean people shouldn't be happy with either CPU? Nope.
- Does it mean that MF failed in some way? Nope.
- Does it mean that the 13900H is worth more money than the 12900H? I don't really think so - unless max speed and big.LITTLE tech are important to you and your needs.
Instead of being rude, why not be actually helpful? Especially when you tried to repeatedly say 13900H is a 2MB/ P core architecture and it verifiably isn't?I think this may help
And we had every choice to buy it, or not, knowing the size, dimensions, slot, CPU etc etcThe world is their oyster. They are making every choice from chassis to screw size, and RAM to CPU. 13900HX has a 55watt power consumption - not sure that qualifies as "high". For me, yes - socket it.
I like being able to replace a CPU - but my wife thinks I'm a silly little man.
Had they used a socketed CPU, a short chassis, ECC RAM, larger case for full size GPU... it would be an SFF PC not a mini PC.
I'm directly comparing this with Dell/HP/Lenovo 1L PCs. In theory those can be upgraded, but in practice (here in NZ) the price of bare upgrade CPUs to fit these is greater than just buying a newer generation model which has the improved performance + newer components.
It's insane how much better Minisforum MS-01 expansion choices are vs the HP Mini G9 I also use currently. The G9 has a gimped onboard DisplayPort without HBR3 so it can't drive high resolution or high refresh rate monitors, and it has a single 1Gb NIC. The 2nd flex-io port supports nothing useful, so you have to choose between expanding with decent networking or a decent display output.
Even the worst MS-01 has a great laptop CPU which is competitive with any socketed chip you can shoehorn into a 1L PC, insanely great IO, and the ability to use a variety of low wattage PCIe cards. If you think the card compatibility/cooling is poor then just try using the Lenovo Tiny's PCIe slot.
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Plus, as far as hypervisors go, they are both 6-core/12-thread CPUs.
Most hypervisors don't handle e-cores very well.
Most of which makes zero difference in the real world, even if the numbers were accurate.
Any reputable benchmark I can find shows about 1-3% single core and 3-5% multi-core difference between the 13900H and the 12900H.
IIRC I think I did see one specific benchmark out of a long list of them that had something in that 10-20% range, but all the others were lower, and the overall on that page (can't remember what site) was in the 3-5% range I believe. So yeah, unless you're doing very specific stuff not gonna see those very high numbers!
When both are throttling to 45W (which they would be, PL2 is not just a suggestion and only way to get decent performance) , the differences are a wash
There are a few 3d specs on etsy but I found local business Hive Tech Solutions in Australia, he makes custom racks to your design specs. I have a centered spec on order with front keystone ports/usb headers.Perhaps someone could build a rack mount for 3D printing.
YOU said " Intel anything less than server or even Xeon E never supported bifurcation and it absolutely won't here "
And I am correcting you. The link I gave is just Asus but there are 100's more consumer motherboards that support bifurcation.
I never said it was the cpu itself. And Z doesn't mean it's upper tier. The Asus matx boards regularly went for $129.
And there were boards that do x8 x8 that weren't Z boards.
And yes many did split into x4 x4 x8 on a x16 slot. I know because I have two motherboards that do it.
So please stop saying it's not possible.
And last, from the horses mouth. " Because of Intel's CPU hardware limit, it is not possible for bifurcation on Alderlake-H CPU "
So it can be the cpu itself causing the limitation, as Alderlake non H can do bifurcation.
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It is NOT the CPU itself doing the bifurcation, its the motherboard!
But you think you know everything
So it's possible I got bumped up slightly. I was discussing a non-delivery query with them, and at the end I asked if they had an estimate on when my order would be shipped (honestly just after an idea of when it would be), and shortly afterwards the shipping label got created
I worry they are rushing these out the door - cutting corners. From some posts here there seems to be a poor application of thermal paste.So it's possible I got bumped up slightly. I was discussing a non-delivery query with them, and at the end I asked if they had an estimate on when my order would be shipped (honestly just after an idea of when it would be), and shortly afterwards the shipping label got created
Hey has anyone tested the Wifi connection reliability/speeds? I have the UM970Pro as well - man that Wifi antenna sucks. I bought my UM much later - and they made some supposed improvement - went with plastic cover to improve Wifi strength - and they moved the antenna attachment to the top cover. Even with these changes - the signal is horrible.
I would like a means to add external antennas to these mini PCs to improve signal strength.