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Marsh

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Is your N5105 board from BKHD?
The two bios mod that you mentioned are for BKHD board.

I have 3 BKHD N5105 system using UNRAID without issue.
 

vvkvvk

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Did the board work just fine before the BIOS flash? I got that too, but I got it resolved by using different RAM. Kingston Fury didn't work, but regular ValueRAM did.
 

diamondlover

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Is your N5105 board from BKHD?
The two bios mod that you mentioned are for BKHD board.
I have 3 BKHD N5105 system using UNRAID without issue.
My motherboard is this one, as you can see the label says MW-NVR-N5105 1.0 and I don't know where is the manifacturer, but I can see the same label on the BKHD website, so it should be. I think the last time I flashed the CW bios (wich is working perfectly fine and now I have the CW logo) BIOS

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Did the board work just fine before the BIOS flash? I got that too, but I got it resolved by using different RAM. Kingston Fury didn't work, but regular ValueRAM did.
Yes, the ram is fine, I've been using it without problems for a month now.
 

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Marsh

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I looked at my BKHD board.
Under the ram slot, label is BKHD-1338NAS-17.

The two bios mod are for BKHD board only.

In this long thread, there were discussion on how to identify various models of N5105 board
 

diamondlover

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Ok, I found the stock bios and flashed back, and I realized that I already have the ASPM etc. already in the stock bios :rolleyes:...
The only issue is the JMB585 chip that prevent any lower C states than C3 (17,4W with 2 NVME and 16GB Ram).
Maybe in the future I'll invest in one ASM1166 NVME-SATA card and hope for the best.
Thanks, best regards.
 

diamondlover

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Good morning, the M.2 ASM1166 card is arrived, and seem to work just fine.
What I done so far:

Bios page PCI Express Configuration
  1. DMI Link ASPM Control -> set to L0sL1
  2. PCI Express Root Port 1...8 -> ASPM set to L0sL1 (should be auto?) and L1 substates to L1.1 & L1.2
Bios page Advanced - Power and performance - CPU performance
  1. Set max C states to C8
  2. Disabled turbo (later I tried re-enabling and nothing changes)
With this settings, after boot and HDD spindown my consumption is 15-16W. I have 1NVME drive and the ASM1166 card.
I can reach C6 (from powertop), but I have a bunch of new BAD things in the last page and I don't know what enable or leave disabled, and auto-tune crash the webUI.
I attach some screenshots of powertop.
Any suggestions, like how to perform a firmware upgrade of the card, or how to disable the PCI express connected to the JMB5xx chip?
Thanks a lot, best regards.
 

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aysh

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Good morning, the M.2 ASM1166 card is arrived, and seem to work just fine.
What I done so far:

Bios page PCI Express Configuration
  1. DMI Link ASPM Control -> set to L0sL1
  2. PCI Express Root Port 1...8 -> ASPM set to L0sL1 (should be auto?) and L1 substates to L1.1 & L1.2
Bios page Advanced - Power and performance - CPU performance
  1. Set max C states to C8
  2. Disabled turbo (later I tried re-enabling and nothing changes)
With this settings, after boot and HDD spindown my consumption is 15-16W. I have 1NVME drive and the ASM1166 card.
I can reach C6 (from powertop), but I have a bunch of new BAD things in the last page and I don't know what enable or leave disabled, and auto-tune crash the webUI.
I attach some screenshots of powertop.
Any suggestions, like how to perform a firmware upgrade of the card, or how to disable the PCI express connected to the JMB5xx chip?
Thanks a lot, best regards.
Hi diamondlover,

I have the CW-5105-NAS V1 with the N6005, I had also disabled the JMB585 controller to achieve the C8 state and am looking to do the same as you in purchasing a m.2 ASM1166 card to replace the power-hungry JMB585.

Do you mind sharing your purchase for the M.2 ASM1166?

I'm still new to this, but from this thread, it seems there are different controllers and port multipliers that may prevent better C-states.

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1. I've successfully updated the BIOS.
2. Did the following to reach C8:
Chipset>>System Agent(SA) Config>>Memory Config>>SA GV [Disabled] #to prevent corrupted display
Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>PCIE Express Config>>PCI Express Root Port 2 [Disabled] #disable the JMB585 Controller
Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>SATA and RST Config>>SATA Controllers [Disabled] #disable the AHCI Controller
Advanced>>Power&Performance>>CPU-Power Management Control>>C Staes [Enabled] #Enable lower than C1 state

Currently looking for a M.2 to Sata ASM1166 adapter.

However, was met with a new issue, on disabling this "Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>PCIE Express Config>>PCI Express Root Port 2 [Disabled]", the i226 no longer gets an IP address from my router. Hence no longer able to SSH inside or use as a NAS.
If I do not disable this PCI Express Root Port 2, I will be stuck on C3 with an enabled JMB585.

I am not sure what to do now to maintain C8 power state during idle. The original plan was to disable the JMB585 and use a M.2 to Sata ASM1166 for up to C6-state.

Does it mean I am stuck with C3 or is there a workaround on this.
 
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diamondlover

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Hi diamondlover,

I have the CW-5105-NAS V1 with the N6005, I had also disabled the JMB585 controller to achieve the C8 state and am looking to do the same as you in purchasing a m.2 ASM1166 card to replace the power-hungry JMB585.

Do you mind sharing your purchase for the M.2 ASM1166?

I'm still new to this, but from this thread, it seems there are different controllers and port multipliers that may prevent better C-states.

Edit:

1. I've successfully updated the BIOS.
2. Did the following to reach C8:
Chipset>>System Agent(SA) Config>>Memory Config>>SA GV [Disabled] #to prevent corrupted display
Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>PCIE Express Config>>PCI Express Root Port 2 [Disabled] #disable the JMB585 Controller
Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>SATA and RST Config>>SATA Controllers [Disabled] #disable the AHCI Controller
Advanced>>Power&Performance>>CPU-Power Management Control>>C Staes [Enabled] #Enable lower than C1 state

Currently looking for a M.2 to Sata ASM1166 adapter.

However, was met with a new issue, on disabling this "Chipset>>PCH-IO Config>>PCIE Express Config>>PCI Express Root Port 2 [Disabled]", the i226 no longer gets an IP address from my router. Hence no longer able to SSH inside or use as a NAS.
If I do not disable this PCI Express Root Port 2, I will be stuck on C3 with an enabled JMB585.

I am not sure what to do now to maintain C8 power state during idle. The original plan was to disable the JMB585 and use a M.2 to Sata ASM1166 for up to C6-state.

Does it mean I am stuck with C3 or is there a workaround on this.
Hello, this is the card I bought: Link
 

KevinR

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The most unpleasant thing I encountered on the motherboard. This is a network cards failure on reboot. To make them appear again I need to use poweroff.
Is this involving the onboard ports, a pcie card, (or an M2 adapter)? Or a combination? And what card is it? The info may help others offer advice.

I'm guessing the interface isn't getting a reset from the soft boot. Which is annoying, but I recall it occurring on various devices in my lifetime.
 

ur4ela

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@KevinR
Это касается встроенных портов - i226 2.5G Ethernet, я уже не знаю что делать, перепробовал все биосы, доступные на форуме.
 

KevinR

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Это касается встроенных портов - i226 2.5G Ethernet, я уже не знаю что делать, перепробовал все биосы, доступные на форуме.
Quote: This concerns the built-in i226 2.5G Ethernet ports, I don’t know what to do anymore, I tried all the BIOSes available on the forum

I had wondered if you were using a different card as it seemed to list 8 ports x 2 methods when it worked. I've not seen people talking about the boot from LAN functions. Do you use boot from LAN or is this being missing just a sign that the interfaces have not reset?

I wonder if it's a feature since if MS-Windows (for example) rebooted to install a driver we wouldn't want it to reboot from scratch, but softboot in some manner. I've never used boot from LAN.

I remember a recent discussion about one of the NAS motherboards not seeing the SATA drives on the boot menu, but if you got it into an OS from say USB then the OS could see the drives OK. It may be a similar problem.

HEY EVERYONE: Has any one had issues with the network interfaces not resetting on a warm boot? Or disappearing from boot from lan?

Edit. Extra thought. Is the BIOS FASTBOOT setting on or off? It may help to turn it off.
 
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ur4ela

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I had wondered if you were using a different card as it seemed to list 8 ports x 2 methods when it worked. I've not seen people talking about the boot from LAN functions. Do you use boot from LAN or is this being missing just a sign that the interfaces have not reset?
PXE I showed this an example, so that you can see that when you reboot, the network interfaces disappear. And then the ARC loader does not see them.
I looked carefully and guessed. It shows a different IPv6 protocol and therefore there are 8 of them
 
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aysh

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Hello, this is the card I bought: Link
Thank you man!
It has arrived and working well.

Just a note to others considering this. The board itself is pretty flexible. So do be careful when attaching the sata cable after the m.2 adapter is mounted.