I don't know a lot, but when you pointed me to these things, I noticed the product lines after the T620 split their numbering system. The T630 is only the "slim" version, while the T730 is the "thicker" version, so there is no longer a "Plus" naming. And it does have a low profile PCI-E slot from the photos I've seen.I've not researched T730 line. Do they also have base & plus versions? On T620 base model, there is no PCI slot.
that listing throws me off a little bit. the photos make the unit look too thin, like maybe it is the thinner T630. Also, the "right angle" of the power plug looks more like the 60W PSU for the thinner T630, which at least between the T620 and T620PLUS of the previous generation, is not compatible. Finally, the "stand" for the T620PLUS was more "square" and that one seems a bit narrow, like it is for the "thinner" version. Too many indicators that listing might be wrong and what they are really selling is the thin version...Looking again this morning, HP T730 Thin Client AMD Rx-427bb 2.7ghz 4gb RAM 16gb Flash HP ThinPro 32 | eBay has a keyboard and mouse bundled?
no, HP changed the product naming... so the "thin" version would be T630. The T730 is the new generation of what use to be called the T620Plus.Ok you've got me thinking @BLinux but I'm going to offer this HP t730 Desktop Cloud Clients | HP® Official Site
If you look at the internal photo there's a big LP card installed. Perhaps the T730 didn't have a slim edition.
Data sheet seems to confirm. Only thick. Energy star short idle is 10W long idle 9W.
Maybe I should clarify - the 10GbE cards I have on-hand are dual ports (Chelsio Terminator 4s, Solarflare 5/6/7s, etc) and is primarily used to do multipath iSCSI, and that's why the PCIe X4 slot on the t620 Plus is a no-no for me.x4 lanes of PCI-E 2.0 is 20gbps of full duplex bandwidth (500MB/s both up and down simultaneously per lane), so that's definitely more than enough for a 10gbE NIC (as long as it will physically fit in the slot). One of my desktops downstairs has a mellanox 10gbE card in an x4 slot, maxes out 10gbps both ways no problem
Okay, here's where things get a little tricky -no, HP changed the product naming... so the "thin" version would be T630. The T730 is the new generation of what use to be called the T620Plus.
However, based on the photos in your link, it does look like the T730 does have a narrower stand... so who knows? maybe that listing is a T730?
Hmmm, looking at the code on the bag (P3S24AA#ABA), that looks like a legit HP part # for a t730, a model that comes with the optional FirePro W2100 graphics card (so you'll have a total of 6 DisplayPort video outputs instead of the 4 built-in). As for the power supply, like I said before, they share the same PSU lines as their laptop models, so as long as the wattage is correct it should fire up - I had mine running for a while on a 90w power supply off an HP EliteBook VB041AA docking station while doing testing, and during the RadioShack liquidation I picked up one of their generic 90w PSUs with swappable barrel tips for a song...pretty sure that should work as well. The right angle connector PSU should be a G6H43AA used on HP13s and Envy machines. As long as it's an HP original and not some Chinese knockoff, it should work just fine.that listing throws me off a little bit. the photos make the unit look too thin, like maybe it is the thinner T630. Also, the "right angle" of the power plug looks more like the 60W PSU for the thinner T630, which at least between the T620 and T620PLUS of the previous generation, is not compatible. Finally, the "stand" for the T620PLUS was more "square" and that one seems a bit narrow, like it is for the "thinner" version. Too many indicators that listing might be wrong and what they are really selling is the thin version...
It's only SATA - when this thing was designed back in 2012 the NVMe specs barely passed v1.0, and I doubt that either AMD or HP is planning for its end users to hammer the I/O on its SoC to warrant NVMe support. The M.2 storage port on those thin clients are really only meant to populate a cheap, low capacity SSD. In fact, HP ThinPro (one of the T620's OS choices based on Ubuntu Linux) implements its filesystem as RAM based COW (copy-on-write), so that SSD module isn't really expected to get much writes out of it. I would stick to something cheap but middle-of-the-road storage-wise if the plan is to run RouterOS or pfsense on it - hell, you can buy a cheap USB 3.0 thumb drive for its interior port and it'll do just fine.Back on topic... Anyone know if the T620 Plus m.2 slot supports NVMe? Booting or as secondary storage? I think the included SanDisk m.2 is only SATA
Okay, suggestions on a m.2 2280 SATA that could be used for a few VMs? Hopefully 500GB+ Or I guess it could be mSATA. I have a micron M550 (I think) 240GB mSATA, but not sure it’d be large enough, and it would be a pain to move from an existing system. I’d prefer m.2 since that is obviously going to be more portable to future systems.It's only SATA .
Crucial MX500. It's not NVMe but it has decent performance, and you can't beat pricing like that. Also, if you have a T620 Plus and are planning to run VMs on it, your hypervisor performance will be about on-par with the Opteron X3216s on the HP MicroServer Gen 10s. This goes to show you how weak the CPU on that HP money-grab just so happen to be.Okay, suggestions on a m.2 2280 SATA that could be used for a few VMs? Hopefully 500GB+ Or I guess it could be mSATA. I have a micron M550 (I think) 240GB mSATA, but not sure it’d be large enough, and it would be a pain to move from an existing system. I’d prefer m.2 since that is obviously going to be more portable to future systems.
Well, the X3216 is a very weak processor. Sure it has double the single thread performance of the GX420CA and is better in every conceivable way, but then the CPU has only two cores, while the GX420CA has 4, so their performance in most real world applications are about the same.It seems Opteron X3216 has double single thread performance of GX-420CA (HP T620 Plus) and almost triple single thread performance of G-T56N (HP T610). So for X3216, it's a huge improvement over these years AMD has been struggling, from a simple passmark comparison point of view IMO.
Ofc, i'm not trying to say there are directly comparable in terms of TDP, power they pack, form factor etc, but some times these are much easier to source and when you need it, has a good amount of CPU power. Also, expanding RAM is way cheaper than looking for expensive SODIMMs for the thin clients.
My thoughts are:
- If you don't need the PCIe expansion of e.g T620/T730 Plus and don't run all cores fully loaded, but mostly simple tasks, one can simply go with cheaper solutions such as the older Dell Optiplex 790 which can be had for very low price. It supports 2.5" SATA as well as CD-ROM which might be changed for a 2.5" adapter, perhaps.
The Optiplex 790 goes for around $60-$130 here.
- No need to worry about extra cooling really, it's all built in the case. My T610 get really really hot during load of these poor 2 cores. At some point, one of the SSD i had installed inside was very very hot, i guess by feeling around 70C at least. I wouldn't put any expensive SSD inside there anymore!
- Easier to get Dell/HP SFF and similar for a reasonable price us here in Europe
Sorry for some off-topic text, but just wanted to share my opinion with others
Hey @Patrick, the connector that is only present on the Jamestown Rev. As are MicroSATA - I believe you mentioned on the write-up that they are MiniPCIe.Main site post is up https://www.servethehome.com/hp-t620-plus-thin-client-and-firewall-vpn-appliance/
Including the 2.5" drive test fit.
Yeah, but just remember that any HP laptop/docking station AC adapter with the proper wattage ratings will work as well. Pretty sure that even the unit off my old gt7725 Plus will work on both.just updated OP with information about the T730 PSU working on a T620. It is rated 85W vs 90W, and has a right angle connector instead of straight. Just another option should one need to shop for a PSU for their T620.