I guess, I was looking for a cheap source of boxes / rigid foam (cheapest I've found so far is about $50 a shipping box (box + foam, where the server floats in the box, and was wondering if there was an alternative to ups/fedex, but sounds like not. ok, so would cost me $160ish to ship a server from arizona to DC based n what I'm seeing right now. I guess companies that send things out a lot, get significantly better rates.