Samsung SSD PM1643 3.8TB SAS 12Gb/s MZ-ILT3T8A 2.5" @ $289.98

[Tim_E]

Go here for recent NetApp firmware as of June 2023:

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/xyratex-sbb-enclosures-and-compatible-controllers.24160/post-383376

Go here for recent NetApp firmware as of June 2023:

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/xyratex-sbb-enclosures-and-compatible-controllers.24160/post-383376

Thank you for the help! Upgrade was a cinch with the right file in hand. I'm really happy to be off of NA51.

 

[Yunochi]

so i'm rather confused.

i have about 15 MZ-ILS3T80 (PM 1633 1632 REV 0) ish drives.

Model: P1633N38 EMC3840
Revision: EQPC

unfortunately i can't read this one in my possession but i also bought some other drives that are showing up as:
(1633a)
Product: PA33N3T8 EMC3840
Revision: EQL8
@ 33834 hours currently

how does one actually know if the ssd's are affected?

thanks

Well, I also have dozens of PM1633N38 EMC3840 disks w/ EQPC firmware rivision and it's working well over 53000 hours.

That disk has been working flawlessly in my array for the past few months, at least, I don't think it's affected by the 32000 hour issue.
If we had access to EMC's firmware revision documentation, we might be able to confirm this more definitively - does anyone have an update on that?

 

[mrpasc]

Here ya go: https://supportkb.dell.com/attachme...V20-GPG-2022-06-13 RN_pkb_en_US_1_en_US_1.pdf
According to this both EQPC for P1633N38/EMC3840
and EQL8 for PA33N3T8/EMC3840
seems to be latest FW as of 2022. You should be good

 

[peggleg1983]

Is it still worth getting these drives if they pop up online?
NetApp X357A 3.8TB
Samsung PM1633a
MZ-ILS3T8B

£199 each - 3.84TB SAS 12Gbps 2.5in Enterprise SSD pm1633a MZILS3T8NMLH-000M3 (Ref D) | eBay

 

[mrpasc]

It depends. On your use-case, on your existing system, on your ability to get firmware updates (or at least to check if firmware is one which prevents from 30k/35k/45k hours bug).
If you are after performance: not worth, go used NVME U.2 drives, almost same price for much more power.
If you are after a good performance-powerusage ratio: not worth, go for used enterprise Sata SSDs.
If you have SAS infrastructure in place ( like HBA, backplane and so on) might be worth the money, but I have seen similar Samsungs 1633a for around 150€ even here in Europe.
the ones you have linked come with IBM firmware, imho the worst one to acquire any information or updates. Personally I would avoid them.

 

[peggleg1983]

It depends. On your use-case, on your existing system, on your ability to get firmware updates (or at least to check if firmware is one which prevents from 30k/35k/45k hours bug).
If you are after performance: not worth, go used NVME U.2 drives, almost same price for much more power.
If you are after a good performance-powerusage ratio: not worth, go for used enterprise Sata SSDs.
If you have SAS infrastructure in place ( like HBA, backplane and so on) might be worth the money, but I have seen similar Samsungs 1633a for around 150€ even here in Europe.
the ones you have linked come with IBM firmware, imho the worst one to acquire any information or updates. Personally I would avoid them.

Thanks, I've seen NetApp ones (and have access to NetApp FW, but wouldnt know how to update ), but they are sold out atm. Will keep eye out and see if they can be had for under £150 each
I have SAS infrastructure already (Supermicro 24-bay SAS3)

 

[mrpasc]

(and have access to NetApp FW, but wouldnt know how to update )

If you have access to the *.lod file, updating them with sg_write is as easy as with any other SAS device. No need to have access to an ONTAP system… just make sure to have them reformatted to 512 before firmware update.

 

[peggleg1983]

If you have access to the *.lod file, updating them with sg_write is as easy as with any other SAS device. No need to have access to an ONTAP system… just make sure to have them reformatted to 512 before firmware update.

Thank you. Got NA54 and NA55 if anyone requires it

 

[peggleg1983]

If you have access to the *.lod file, updating them with sg_write is as easy as with any other SAS device. No need to have access to an ONTAP system… just make sure to have them reformatted to 512 before firmware update.

could you please let me know the command to apply the .lod file to a drive? managed to pick one up for £120 (waiting for delivery), but want to test and make sure i can upgrade FW as currently running NA51

 

[mrpasc]

Basically it’s like sudo sg_write_buffer -b 4k -m dmc_offs_save -I file.rel -v /dev/sg1
But of course you must adopt the path to your firmware binary as well the path to your device.

 

[peggleg1983]

Basically it’s like sudo sg_write_buffer -b 4k -m dmc_offs_save -I file.rel -v /dev/sg1
But of course you must adopt the path to your firmware binary as well the path to your device.

Thanks @mrpasc
Drive was at home when I got back after work. Updated successfully from NA51 to NA54

 

[mrpasc]

Nice to read, have fun with those drives.

 

[yukas]

Basically it’s like sudo sg_write_buffer -b 4k -m dmc_offs_save -I file.rel -v /dev/sg1
But of course you must adopt the path to your firmware binary as well the path to your device.

i have 3 SSD'd with same problem - please see attach and below. (32k hours lock)
We use SAS HBA with IT mode and Samsung SSD Manager and other SG_utuls.
We've already used all the options, and can ship anywhere for disk data recovery. Please help us!

all drives with this errors:



inquiry cdb: 12 00 00 00 24 00
spt_indirect, adapter: \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Length=56 ScsiStatus=0 PathId=0 TargetId=0 Lun=0
CdbLength=6 SenseInfoLength=64 DataIn=1 DataTransferLength=36
TimeOutValue=60 DataBufferOffset=124 SenseInfoOffset=60
SAMSUNG P043S7T6 EMC7680 ESV8 peripheral_type: disk [0x0]
PROTECT=0
inquiry cdb: 12 01 00 00 24 00
spt_indirect, adapter: \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Length=56 ScsiStatus=0 PathId=0 TargetId=0 Lun=0
CdbLength=6 SenseInfoLength=64 DataIn=1 DataTransferLength=36
TimeOutValue=60 DataBufferOffset=124 SenseInfoOffset=60
inquiry: pass-through requested 36 bytes (data-in) but got 19 bytes
inquiry cdb: 12 01 80 01 00 00
spt_indirect, adapter: \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Length=56 ScsiStatus=0 PathId=0 TargetId=0 Lun=0
CdbLength=6 SenseInfoLength=64 DataIn=1 DataTransferLength=256
TimeOutValue=60 DataBufferOffset=124 SenseInfoOffset=60
inquiry: pass-through requested 256 bytes (data-in) but got 16 bytes
Unit serial number: 5BNY0KA04703
inquiry cdb: 12 01 83 01 00 00
spt_indirect, adapter: \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Length=56 ScsiStatus=0 PathId=0 TargetId=0 Lun=0
CdbLength=6 SenseInfoLength=64 DataIn=1 DataTransferLength=256
TimeOutValue=60 DataBufferOffset=124 SenseInfoOffset=60
inquiry: pass-through requested 256 bytes (data-in) but got 76 bytes
LU name: 5002538b08a449d0
mode sense(10) cdb: 5a 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 fc 00
spt_indirect, adapter: \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Length=56 ScsiStatus=0 PathId=0 TargetId=0 Lun=0
CdbLength=10 SenseInfoLength=64 DataIn=1 DataTransferLength=252
TimeOutValue=60 DataBufferOffset=124 SenseInfoOffset=60
mode sense(10):
Fixed format, current; Sense key: Hardware Error
Additional sense: Logical unit failure
Raw sense data (in hex), sb_len=64, embedded_len=18
70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 3e 01 00 00
00 00
MODE SENSE (10) command: Medium or hardware error, type: sense key (plus blank check for tape)

 

[peggleg1983]

Might be outside of scope for this thread but... I picked up a 3.84tb netapp branded PM1643a. It's sadly on firmware version NA51. Does anyone have good ideas for where to look for X357_S164A3T8ATE.NA54.LOD? (doesn't appear in the all.zip referenced on page 8)

I have NA54 if you are still looking for it

 

[sephallen]

Was anyone able to update a Samsung branded drive to EQPC?

I recently purchased a P1633N38 from eBay running EQP6 with over 45k hours and I am a little concerned - the drive does not seem to like to be trimmed!

smartctl 7.3 2022-02-28 r5338 [x86_64-linux-5.19.17-Unraid] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-22, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor:               SAMSUNG
Product:              P1633N38 EMC3840
Revision:             EQP6
Compliance:           SPC-4
User Capacity:        3,840,774,504,448 bytes [3.84 TB]
Logical block size:   512 bytes
Physical block size:  4096 bytes
LU is resource provisioned, LBPRZ=1
Rotation Rate:        Solid State Device
Form Factor:          2.5 inches
Logical Unit id:      0x5002538a06bbb820
Serial number:        2BNA0HB02058
Device type:          disk
Transport protocol:   SAS (SPL-4)
Local Time is:        Sat Sep 16 07:48:35 2023 BST
SMART support is:     Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is:     Enabled
Temperature Warning:  Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Health Status: OK

Percentage used endurance indicator: 4%
Current Drive Temperature:     45 C
Drive Trip Temperature:        60 C

Accumulated power on time, hours:minutes 45841:20
Manufactured in week 46 of year 2016
Accumulated start-stop cycles:  58
Specified load-unload count over device lifetime:  0
Accumulated load-unload cycles:  0
Elements in grown defect list: 0

Error counter log:
           Errors Corrected by           Total   Correction     Gigabytes    Total
               ECC          rereads/    errors   algorithm      processed    uncorrected
           fast | delayed   rewrites  corrected  invocations   [10^9 bytes]  errors
read:          0        0         0         0          0     460552.206           0
write:         0        0         0         0          0     287128.371           0

Non-medium error count:       10

No Self-tests have been logged

 

[Whaaat]

I am a little concerned - the drive does not seem to like to be trimmed!

None of Samsung enterprise drives likes trimming. They will hang for about a minute throttling performance to several kilobytes per sec while handling TRIM command. Don't bother, they don't need trimming to demonstrate claimed performance numbers

 

[sephallen]

None of Samsung enterprise drives likes trimming. They will hang for about a minute throttling performance to several kilobytes per sec while handling TRIM command. Don't bother, they don't need trimming to demonstrate claimed performance numbers

Ah that is exactly what I have been seeing too - good to know, cheers!

As for firmware, it seems some users have been flashing similar drives with NetApp firmware, but I have not been able to find any posts in this thread regarding doing that with a P1633N38. Is it even possible with this drive?